Gillmor Gang, recording live today 1pm PST participate at http://www.building43.com/realtim...
John Taschek,
Naor Mark,
Nir Ben Yona,
Rob La Gesse,
Robert Scoble,
Stephen Pickering,
Tina Chase Gillmor,
Turkish Delight,
mark spofforth,
Jo Booth,
dlature,
Jerome Hughes,
Aron Michalski,
and
clive boulton
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LLLLLLLLLLets get ready to rumble!!!!!!!!!!!
- Matt Terenzio
I'm ready to rumble! Waiting for the call...
- Robert Scoble
Sorry if that offended people that think boxing is barbaric.
- Matt Terenzio
I have a feeling we'll talk about UberMedia and Twitter. Oh, and Apple's 30% charge too.
- Robert Scoble
Is Apple going to charge Amazon the 30 per cent also?
- Stephen Pickering
That UberMedia announcement sends chills down my spine. Dave Winer is right on. Let's get out of the silo.
- Matt Terenzio
What's UberMedia? I'm outta the loop. Content Farm like Demand?
- Stephen Pickering
TweetDeck owners that had a few apps shut down for violating Twitter's terms of service.
- Matt Terenzio
Evening all
- Nick Halstead
Here's the problem with the 30%. My local paper advertises it has an app. I download the app, but there's no where to subscribe within the app. Apple didn't bring "me" to them. Their own add did, but I still want to subscribe within the app.
- Stephen Pickering
I think it's fair not to use Twitter in a product name but Tweet doesn't seem right. Tweetie Bird was a favorite character of mine : )
- Matt Terenzio
http://www.techmeme.com/110218... <<-- Story about UberMedia and Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Dick Costello did donate to Obama's Inauguration...
- Kevin Marks
Who should have been there that wasn't invited that he is referring to?
- Stephen Pickering
Costello, as in Bud Abbot and Costello : )
- Matt Terenzio
Guess we wont be hearing Kevin sing the SamSong
- clive boulton
TweetCaster is fantastic solution for those Twidroyd users who are left hanging http://ow.ly/3ZgjR
- Erica Wells Cohen
Samsong? or samsung?
- Kevin Marks
I like Seesmic for Android
- Kevin Marks
Ha!
- clive boulton
Stephen: HP?
- Robert Scoble
Once we've used you to build our network and credibility
- Stephen Pickering
Dev's are happy to pay 30 pct. Can't see Sony or FT paying up.
- clive boulton
What about Amazon?
- Stephen Pickering
Have used both Seesmic and Tweetdeck for Android. Seesmic was giving me memory problems, Tweetdeck has been really good.
- Aron Michalski
How much does Kindle charge publishers?
- clive boulton
friendfeed? : )
- Matt Terenzio
Stoic.
- Aron Michalski
Stephen: AMazon isn't a Silicon Valley company. Microsoft falls into the same bucket of why they weren't invited to John Doerr's house.
- Robert Scoble
Ah, thanks, Robert
- Stephen Pickering
are bit.ly and ad.ly etc vulnerable to internet shutdown in Libya?
- Paul E. Ester
KIndle charges more (or at least used to). Amazon's Android store wants to let them pick prices and discounts completely
- Kevin Marks
Sure Paul. True of any country, but certainly Libya has already shut some down.
- Matt Terenzio
HP? eBay? where they not there becasue historic CEOs ran as republicans?
- Kevin Marks
track?
- Jerome Hughes
Oh, you mean affected by the recent shutdowns? I don't think so. It's DNS
- Matt Terenzio
Yeah, but Kevin, is Apple going to charge Amazon 30% too? That wouldn't seem viable
- Stephen Pickering
They flexed their muscle by never responding to their users about concerns.
- Aron Michalski
Obama and Zuck nicely captured pic http://bit.ly/ft82tA
- clive boulton
Did I see @jason at the dinner. :)
- Paul E. Ester
lol hoodie comment
- Paul E. Ester
Nice hoodie comment Danny.
- Kevin Mullett
Twitter for a long time took many of their features away from the users, under the guise of being lame when it was in fact a powerplay.
- Aron Michalski
But Kindle is a retailer itself, not a wholesaler, so if it gives 30% it will lose all of its margin
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen: exactly. If you are a shopping mall you don't allow other people to built new malls in your building.
- Robert Scoble
@jyarmis blog post about Apple overstepping http://bit.ly/fQbsZG
- clive boulton
Good find, Clive @jyarmis is on a roll.
- John Taschek
OMG...the most amazing product.... (rolls eyes)
- Kevin Mullett
Go Danny go.
- Aron Michalski
Yeah, Amazon has gotten so big, I think it will cost Apple more in the long run, to run them off the platform
- Stephen Pickering
I don't go to the shopping mall
- Kevin Marks
Kevin is right. The transactions are incredibly simple and smooth on Apple's iOS.
- Alex de Soto
Is overstepping Steve Jobs loosing a grip?
- clive boulton
palo alto or valley fair?
- Paul E. Ester
It's Tithing for the Apple Lord...Amen
- Aron Michalski
Is Danny's point Apple is overcharging?
- Jim Posner
can you make it up on volume ?
- Jerome Hughes
Paul: I usually go to Palo Alto.
- Robert Scoble
Buying from Amazon outside the Apple world is fine, except for video,which is not Appleriffic.
- Aron Michalski
There's no question that Apple has the "right" to do this, we're just saying they shouldn't. It's going to open the door to competition. Amazon is a worthy competitor.
- Stephen Pickering
ustream ads are killing me, hope steve gets a cut.
- Paul E. Ester
Paul he gets paid in free distribution and bandwidth. :-)
- Stephen Pickering
Well, as long as none of us create content, we'll be fine.
- Aron Michalski
Steve should go back to the 5 minute ad at the start of the show, to pay for his daughters college education :)
- Jamie
earthlink I think it was.
- Jamie
When I buy a book on my iMac from Amazon why doesn't Apple require 30%?
- Stephen Pickering
This is hilarious.
- Kevin Mullett
people are caffeinated today w00t!
- Paul E. Ester
they will, stephen
- Kevin Marks
They use Twiiter for search...right?
- Aron Michalski
The publishers have political clout, app developers don't...
- clive boulton
Why doesn't Toyota take 30% of my mall purchases, since its car took me to the mall?
- Stephen Pickering
How many secure and user-friendly "store" platforms are there anyway? Google's, Amazon's, Apple's? The question is which one does a developer use and how much of a cut they hand over? Kindle could still work with Apple iOS. Apple users could use Amazon's shopping platform and Apple could ask for a more reasonable referral fee of under 10%.
- Alex de Soto
The toyota mall on planet toyota?
- Paul E. Ester
Don't worry, as unions are crushed and regulation is eliminated, the market will sort it out; we'll never have to pay an upcharge because we're Americans and they love us.
- Aron Michalski
Stephen: funny argument, but Toyota has no leverage there. If it could convince every other car company to charge, maybe.
- Robert Scoble
kevin is getting eaten by a monster
- Tina Chase Gillmor
she's a cute monster though
- Kevin Marks
very cute ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
surely the publisher just gets them to sign up on their site rather than the app. apple only take a cut of their referrals.
- Jamie
and Microsoft bans any open source in its App store!
- clive boulton
Tina when are you gonna get GGang on appleTV Podcasts?</whine>
- Paul E. Ester
So are Apple users willing to pay 30% more for one click and being cool?
- Aron Michalski
is the location worthwhile ?
- Jerome Hughes
Did anyone look at Pandora's S-1?
- coldbrew
(of course we're listening to people who have multiple iPads in their home, and there are still a few households worldwide who don't have one yet...)
- Aron Michalski
Apparently Apple is pissing off at least one publisher.
- Jim Posner
Jim: which one? Have they pulled down their iOS apps yet?
- Robert Scoble
The problem is that just because you subscribe within the app doesn't mean that Apple has actually brought you to the product.
- Stephen Pickering
searchengineland :-)
- Jim Posner
Using the Kindle app on the iPod touch avoids the 30% for Apple...
- Aron Michalski
Jim: and he's not a publisher that charges money.
- Robert Scoble
It doesn't look like they're going to remove their offerings, and publishers are hoping to get the Feds involved.
- coldbrew
I agree that if Apple causes the sale they should get that or even more, but just because that you buy within the app doesn't mean that.
- Stephen Pickering
until they throw out the Kindle app...
- Aron Michalski
I thought Danny sold premium content via subs.
- Jim Posner
when did twitter become the bad guy? lol
- Kevin Mullett
roundabout Chirp last year
- Kevin Marks
notariety
- Jerome Hughes
Kevin: when they did the suggested user list. That pissed off lots of us. Then they picked certain clients and made them god and pissed off lots of developers.
- Robert Scoble
private APIs for their own apps
- Jamie
sadly, no one has been able to make a network to compete.
- Aron Michalski
Robert: I could see that point...that didn't trickle down to "normal" users much though.
- Kevin Mullett
Perhaps content organisations' overhead and revenue were over valued for the last 50 years?
- coldbrew
argh, building notoriety
- Jerome Hughes
Twitter don't be evil zinger from @davecclure http://bit.ly/gd8L3x
- clive boulton
Watching Scoble's screen, it reminds me of speed reading Pynchon; comprehension is limited, point is lost.
- Aron Michalski
And user base
- Kevin Mullett
Of all the types of apps, the content companies have made the least use of the capabilities of iOS APIs.
- coldbrew
Agree with Kevin, Twitter has BIG Data
- R Macdonald
Real Time Search should be worth a bunch
- Stephen Pickering
The back side of Twitter has always been the story.
- Aron Michalski
facebookers have different goals
- Jerome Hughes
How about this: Amazon raises the typical $9.99 Kindle book price to $11.98 on Apple iOS and $10.98 on Google. $9.99 on Amazon. Buyers choice!
- Alex de Soto
I choose Amazon. Done.
- Aron Michalski
apple say you have to charge the same price
- Jamie
Alex, Apple requires the app price to be as low as the lowest price offered elsewhere
- Stephen Pickering
Amazon never charges the same price twice
- Kevin Marks
Twitter was anything but fair.
- Aron Michalski
Jamie: Price fixing will get them in trouble with the Feds. I think.
- Alex de Soto
Do you have to pay premium for FIREHOSE?
- Kevin Mullett
tweetie
- Jerome Hughes
But I'm not sure that's legal with FTC for Apple to be able to dictate the price
- Stephen Pickering
Kevin: for the full real time firehose, that's what I hear.
- Robert Scoble
Mullet: Yes.
- coldbrew
Alex, that's what I was thinking, that's Price Fixing
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen: why not? THis isn't price fixing.
- Robert Scoble
wonder when twitter will buy DataSift or build out that function
- Jim Posner
Amazon also demands that the Kindle price is the lowest. those are the rules to get onto their store.. thats not price fixing.
- Jamie
I think its a law called "Price Fixing" but I'm sure Apple's lawyers are smarter than I! heheheheheheheh
- Stephen Pickering
Just make all your apps free and then you don't have to worry.
- Matt Terenzio
Jim - they wont build that function
- Nick Halstead
Robert & coldbrew: thanks that is what I thought
- Kevin Mullett
Is DataSift a betaworks thing?
- coldbrew
Jamie: if you are giving away something under what it costs you can get government after you.
- Robert Scoble
coldbrew: I think betaworks is invested. It's Nick Halstead's company.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble: Thanks
- coldbrew
Oh, I hi Nick! I love this chat room. I guess that means that Twitter will buy DataSift. (My thesis)
- Robert Scoble
robert: no they are not - they would like to - but wont get a part
- Nick Halstead
Nick: can I use DataSift on the folks I'm following yet?
- Robert Scoble
hornOKplease just tweeted: @scobleizer alex payne had a post that said that at this point twitter devs are either a) twitter partners or b) hobbyists. no middle ground
- Robert Scoble
dialtone.
- Aron Michalski
just seems data mining/ event-pattern recognition is a logical area for twitter to grow
- Jim Posner
robert: yes - wait for ver 0.9 coming out early next week - lots of amazing new things - including real-time storage - you can keep every tweet you want.
- Nick Halstead
I thought Halstead was bringing Track back?
- coldbrew
:) Am I wrong?
- coldbrew
Nick: AWESOME! coldbrew: that is track!
- Robert Scoble
Wish I had been grandfathered in on the whitelisting. Now that's a sweet deal.
- Matt Terenzio
kind of great how datasift was mentioned here and nick logged in and responded within a minute.
- Jamie
Robert - here's al3x's post: http://bit.ly/cW4TuZ
- Richard
Scoble: No! It is Duke Nukem part II ;)
- coldbrew
I have always said - all that counts is that twitter continues to grow
- Nick Halstead
very worried about the gTLD issue. Maybe falsely so, but still.
- Kevin Mullett
bit.ly has said they are working on that very solution.
- Kevin Mullett
whats her name had her .ly yanked
- Paul E. Ester
vb.ly
- Paul E. Ester
what are the SMS percentages now?
- Aron Michalski
twitter is sitting on a massive real time database that they have yet to monetize or have the tools to monetize.
- Jim Posner
Halstead: I'm glad you've not been afriad to play in their sandbox. But, I guess that means you think ubermedia was in the wrong today (they weren't, imo)?
- coldbrew
Is there still a need to consider text with Twitter?
- Aron Michalski
Pretty popular in 3rd world, no?
- coldbrew
cold: big difference - we dont play in a sandbox - were a twitter partner
- Nick Halstead
does broken-boarders come back as a co-working space chain
- clive boulton
I'm interested in discussants perspectives on Facebook adding hCalendar & hCard microformats to millions of events
- R Macdonald
links are dead: http://www.zdnet.com/blog...
- Jamie
WHAT? Robert isn't a robot?
- Kevin Mullett
Halstead: Sounds semantic unless you are talking about signed agreements.
- coldbrew
what about deck.ly?
- dlature
save your Monitor boxes...
- Aron Michalski
definite.ly wont be using deck.ly
- Jamie
feel so bad for you on that ski slope
- Matt Terenzio
unfollow anyone on my timeline who does
- Jamie
Nick when are going to get some wysiwyg tools for DataSift? throw us non developers a bone.
- Jim Posner
from @stop: One fresh pull of data using Twitter/iPhone is almost 300k of data. Int'l pay-per-use is $.0195/Kb. That would be almost USD$6.00 per pull!
- Kevin Marks
.tw domain ftw
- Paul E. Ester
tweetdeck was causing me to accidentally use it b/c of their intial interface....they improved it this past week
- dlature
tweets are bloated compared to SMS - a tweet pulled via APi is way more than 140 chars
- Kevin Marks
So, bottom line, will Kindle be leaving the iOS platform?
- Stephen Pickering
(Downloading Vanity Fair on my iPad from the chairlift right now...)
- Aron Michalski
jim: working on it - but storage + map-reduce functionality had to come first
- Nick Halstead
like to know what GG group thinks of deck.ly
- dlature
They had to do it. BING helped them along.
- Kevin Mullett
Why couldn't AAPL offer a sliding pricing scale for volume on the subs thing?
- coldbrew
dlature: It hasn't hit my life at all.
- Robert Scoble
@diatuure never heard of it
- Paul E. Ester
Nick- thanks..looking forward to the growth of DataSift..hope it ramps up sooner rather than later.
- Jim Posner
coldbrew: probably because Apple likes simplicity, even in its business models.
- Robert Scoble
When did Bing results start showing up on Facebook search?
- Matt Terenzio
Paul...it's built into tweetdeck
- dlature
social search is pointless - the fact is search will be replaced with 'follow' - by interest graphs
- Nick Halstead
Nick: I'm really happy I'll be able to do DataSift on the folks I'm following. That makes it MUCH more useful!
- Robert Scoble
so overseas data is about $15-19 a meg while a text will be .50 to .75 cents. Mobile Realtime is a rich man's luxury once you cross the border.
- Aron Michalski
Jamie, Robert, Stephen: Sorry had to walk away for a sec. I guess that's right. Not pricing fixing in the true sense. I guess Apple will remain an exclusive mall with a lot of customers with deep pockets. Publishers will want to be in that "mall" for sure just like some stores want to be on Rodeo drive regardless of the rent.
- Alex de Soto
deck.ly takes +140 chars into a separate database...and linksto it appaer as "More"
- dlature
dlature: doesn't TwitLonger do the same thing?
- Robert Scoble
so does Tantek's falcon
- Kevin Marks
don't know of it
- dlature
So what dlature? Doesn't that save some people from having to write a blog post?
- Matt Terenzio
ran into it b/c Tweetdeck kinda forced me to
- dlature
jim: thanks, we will start inviting more people soon, we only have 500 invited into Alpha currently, but have 10's thousands on the invite list ready to rock.
- Nick Halstead
matt, I don't neccessarily have a problemwith it...lot of tweeters don't like it...I can see its uses
- dlature
Wow, That's some serious insinuation.
- coldbrew
Falcon: http://tantek.pbworks.com/w...
- Kevin Marks
Danny: I still see that *twitter LIST issue we talked about last year.
- Kevin Mullett
Yeah, I think it's kind of like autotweeting when you write a blog post.
- Matt Terenzio
I already covered why Social search is not the answer -> http://nickhalstead.com/social-...
- Nick Halstead
Yes. I hear this Siegler person is quite knowledgeable and unbiased :)
- coldbrew
like Twitter Suggestions? ;-)
- Aron Michalski
when I search [canon s90] I get 2 friend results at the top
- Kevin Marks
rumors GoogleIO setting up viewing places nr Moscone dealing with registration backlash
- clive boulton
but the story was actually measuring the conversion of deals shared on fb vs the same deal shared on twitter
- Richard
it's the Super Bowl all over again...
- Aron Michalski
not the same as ad conversion, I don't think
- Richard
Tell me you are not more apt to click on a SERP with a friends pic/name in it? CTR will be higher even if lower, but not on the bottom.
- Kevin Mullett
Richard: They write lots of stuff over there with opinions and a few facts from being freinds with so many of the value. Most of their interpretations seem to be worthless.
- coldbrew
Nick-any interest in data visualization (heat maps) on the live DataSift streams?
- Jim Posner
Chris Dixon had a good talk about this: Graphs presentation at Google NY http://post.ly/1dT6v
- Kevin Marks
maybe a slider from "Chaste" to Slutty" for your friends influence...
- Aron Michalski
"the underlying geekery!"
- Tina Chase Gillmor
copy that Tina.
- Aron Michalski
rww posted an interesting article on fb marketing yesterday: http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
- Richard
jim: with storage + map-reduce any kind of visualisation is possible, we have quite a few 3rd party developers building them
- Nick Halstead
Direct mail has always been 2-4%
- Aron Michalski
spam gets by with much lower numbers
- Jerome Hughes
Nick-Good to hear..having "glanceability" for fast flowing streams would be useful.
- Jim Posner
Fuchia ads?
- Aron Michalski
Search has intent. Most don't search for FUN.
- Kevin Mullett
Danny's right. Facebook is better for Brand ads. It's just like network TV. Facebook is where the attention is.
- Stephen Pickering
fb hyper targeting yellow page adds on your profile (even if you don't click) builds brands
- clive boulton
but brand ads are mostly useless
- Kevin Marks
all this talk about facebook and twitter we all know foursquare is going to rule the world
- Paul E. Ester
Kevin Marks: Depends on if you want to be top of mind. It "can" make a difference.
- Kevin Mullett
Brand ads aren't useless. They are just longer term. Ask Coca Cola. Ask Ogilvy.
- Stephen Pickering
see the same thing in twitter bot patterns
- Jerome Hughes
Ad blindness - that is exactly what I have. @kevinmarks
- John Taschek
You advertise on Adwords for cashflow, and Facebook for Brand or Mindshare.
- Stephen Pickering
What is new is that more people are brands; and they are promoting things.
- Aron Michalski
Buy Rackspace <<-- John Taschek can't see this! :-)
- Robert Scoble
priming can be important, true
- Kevin Marks
someone mention Watson..big story that happened this week
- Jim Posner
Hmm. I thought most tech people had highly curated host files, no?
- coldbrew
Robert, Why can't Josh see it? Did he block you or vice versa? hehehehehehehehhehehe
- Stephen Pickering
Even though I don't click on the ads, I might subconsciously see them. R . A. C. K. S. P. A. C. E
- John Taschek
It's so easy to go from a link on Google SERP to a Web page that offers to FB "Like" your brand so that in seconds you're on Facebook learning about the brand from real people. That's powerful!
- Alex de Soto
btw aapl got killed today
- Paul E. Ester
Robert; best point today. Nobody HAS to go to the mall. Unless you're locked in to a hardware provider who prevents options.
- Aron Michalski
@robert it's not info overload, it's filter failure - C. Shirky re: what JT can see
- Jerome Hughes
Alex - Agreed
- Kevin Mullett
Taschek: WhatSPACE?
- coldbrew
OMG....Robert!
- Kevin Mullett
you get the '50,000 people like this, none of them are your friends' problem
- Kevin Marks
saw Clay S. on Al Jazeera yesterday..great conversation
- Jim Posner
thank, Jim, will look for that
- Jerome Hughes
thanks Jim.
- Aron Michalski
show was called Empire
- Jim Posner
plus $99 / yr whether you release or not
- Jerome Hughes
this is always a truly interesting, smart chat environment. Never ceases to amaze me
- Tina Chase Gillmor
There are sites doing that manually, but not auto.
- Kevin Mullett
Shucks, I was just trying to be contrarian, Tina ;-)
- Aron Michalski
Social networks, social revolution http://english.aljazeera.net/program...
- Jim Posner
we'll also have to see the version with the electric shirt(s) ?
- Jerome Hughes
danny froze again but since we're at the end I'm not going to re=establish the call
- Tina Chase Gillmor
notoriety
- Jerome Hughes
best pose to freeze in ;)
- Jo Booth
a magazine that grows after you buy it?
- Aron Michalski
danny unfroze!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Marks: You endorse that? I haven't read it, just asking?
- coldbrew
tricaster rocks
- Paul E. Ester
Thanks for the show!
- R Macdonald
interesting Point of view
- Kevin Marks
Thanks @markbenioff too
- Paul E. Ester
exhalation
- Jerome Hughes
Thanks Tina, thanks guys, see ya soon!
- Aron Michalski
ipad 2 coming in april annnnn
- Paul E. Ester
that was close.
- Aron Michalski
yeah....I looked up when Robert said that
- dlature
this is the best part of the show.
- Paul E. Ester
Yeah, some after show fun! iPad 2 coming in April with a 2048-pixel screen, my sources said.
- Robert Scoble
w00t! thanks rober
- Paul E. Ester
Tricaster: ready for Robert or Steve to cover in depth
- clive boulton
He also said iPhone 5 will come in September.
- Robert Scoble
last nights dinner was epic
- Paul E. Ester
whose house
- Paul E. Ester
John Doerr's.
- clive boulton
Yeah, it was John Doerr's house in Woodside. If Obama were really cool he would have stopped at Bucks.
- Robert Scoble
Bam at Bucks would have been terrific scene
- clive boulton
Scoble: We'll see how your sources do :) Great info. I hope you exorcise your options...
- coldbrew
Reference to are Facebook ads more power than Twitter ads - http://bit.ly/i264EZ
- John Taschek
was going to do the audio bootleg, but no YouTube video up, any thoughts?
- Sebastian Keil