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Micah,
Roberto Bonini,
Kent,
Vezquex,
Karoli,
Ken Sheppardson,
Cliff Gerrish,
Chris Jackson,
Denise Howell,
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who are the speakers on the show today?
- Chris Jackson
We never know until they show....
- Cliff Gerrish
let me know if you can hear me typing and i'll hit the mute button
- Kevin Marks
It's been a while since I was available for a live show.
- Matt Terenzio
I put off going to Buy Sega Racing or whatever its called to watch this show live
- David Lloyd
The sega Mario Kart rip off
- David Lloyd
Is Friday better than Thursday for catching Gillmor Gang live
- Kevin Marks
It's at the same time as Jason Calacanis' TWiST show.
- Vezquex
Gillmor Gang recording session live now w/ Saul Hansel, Andrew Keen, Danny Sullivan and Kevin Marks: http://building43.com/realtime
- Cliff Gerrish
i didnt like Jason Calacanis show - too money oriented for my taste.
- Chris Jackson
Andrew, I recommend a haircut in the nicest way possible.
- beersage
Windows chime. Sweet.
- Kent
I can hear you typing.
- Vezquex
Anyone else get prompted from Twitter to "opt in" to "being found on twitter by others"?
- Matt Terenzio
Matt, yeah that happened to me. Didn't like the 'find by phone number' feature?
- Cliff Gerrish
Yes, Matt.
- beersage
Me neither. Thought it was interesting given the impending ads coming.
- Matt Terenzio
Is Ustream borked?
- David Lloyd
Streaming ok here.
- Cliff Gerrish
With all the noise getting stuffed into search results, Search may actually be dead- unlike RSS.
- Kent
I'm streaming it fine
- Matt Terenzio
It's the world's largest network of stringers
- Matt Terenzio
I tend not to randomly link drop, but have you all check in as FriendFeed users? :-) http://friendfeed.com/kshep...
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, you can put me down as a ff user.
- Cliff Gerrish
What's active Ken. I come here when links get to twitter or the Gillmor Gang is on. ; )
- Matt Terenzio
in through the newsgang interface
- Aron Michalski
, FF user
- Aron Michalski
I'm a FF user, too...
- Karoli
Active means likes or commented on that particular entry, Matt. Very narrow definition ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
I hope seed.com doesnt start polluting search results.
- Jamie
That's four sentences
- Matt Terenzio
Jamie, like they're not already. Couldn't believe a set of results I got last night. pages and pages of rw spam.
- Karoli
@ajkeen edits Saul Hansell. Hmmm.
- Karoli
more than 2 sentences, dude
- Vezquex
demand media
- Matt Terenzio
Demand Media
- Ken Sheppardson
What is that mic andrew is using. It looks pretty phallic.
- Karoli
I haven't noticed it yet Karoli, but it doesnt surprise me that that is the case. Seed.com and Mahalo are fucking annoying
- Jamie
Okay Karoli, you set the tone. : )
- Matt Terenzio
How does Sturgeon's Law fit into this Seed.com thing?
- Cliff Gerrish
it's been a long week, Matt. :)
- Karoli
I wish Google would de-list Mahalo.
- Vezquex
So is it the organization and the pagerank of AOL that is going to make this content rise above the din?
- Matt Terenzio
politicsdaily is improving. was pretty slanted at first, seems to be more balanced now.
- Karoli
Matt Cutts was on This Week in Google on Saturday... said that rather than trying to turn down results like Demand Media, they want to do a better job at promoting content over it. Amplify the signal rather than trying to filter the noise (I'm paraphrasing)
- Ken Sheppardson
Karoli it's not Andrew, its me and the mic is the Yeti: http://bit.ly/axcwrc - I had to put it between me and the keyboard so it didn't hear me typing
- Kevin Marks
No I like my info from all the AOL brands
- Matt Terenzio
AOLServer was /is a great webserver that kind of faded due to Apache popularity
- Matt Terenzio
Ah.. yes, brings back reading Philip Greenspun...
- Cliff Gerrish
sorry Kevin. :)
- Karoli
It's POP media since everything can't get funded and presumably they will fund the stories that have the best chance of monetizing themselves
- Matt Terenzio
"The Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. is a nonprofit charitable organization dedicated to encouraging the growth, development and distribution of free, multilingual content, and to providing the full content of these wiki-based projects to the public free of charge. The Wikimedia Foundation operates some of the largest collaboratively edited reference projects in the world, including Wikipedia, the fourth most visited website in the world."
- Ken Sheppardson
^-- business model
- Ken Sheppardson
I sort of like that image of 'stories monetizing themselves' -- perhaps they don't need a container.
- Cliff Gerrish
Dissing 99% of the information because 1% maybe faulty is kinda silly
- Johnny
Seed's just an engine for stuff like on-demand microstock photography.
- Ken Sheppardson
Why does Saul sound so nervous?
- Vezquex
Here's a q: Do people care who reports something first? Someone reports a hot story & everyone else jumps on board sometimes not even citing the "seeder"
- beersage
Because he's getting ganged up on, Raphael ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
http://seed.com is a way of commissioning filler articles on spec work at the moment
- Kevin Marks
Well Ken, now it's sounding cool and VRMish. "Hey what do you want a story on. . . okay . . .generating it now. . . here you go!"
- Matt Terenzio
It could go either way depending on the execution. SEO spam or nice service for the people
- Matt Terenzio
The problem I see is that we don't need more coverage on popular topics but UNpopular ones like investigating the police department.
- Matt Terenzio
Mahalo started off as a nice service but quickly went the way of SEO spam
- Jamie
Well, before mahalo launched Jason made every effort to distance himself from SEO folks, so you could see the writing on the wall on what they were trying to accomplish
- Matt Terenzio
Andrew AOL bring in quite a lot of revenue through advertising
- Jamie
It's true, I find it amazing that Microsoft makes and has been making 4-10x as much money than Apple for years and yet as Steve says they have almost as much cash on hand and equity
- Stephen Pickering
It's strange to think of people still dialing in to AOL.
- Cliff Gerrish
How is Netscape.com doing, speaking of Jason?
- Matt Terenzio
Ms have had some large acquisitions and stock buybacks
- Jamie
Still trying to connect that last mile Cliff
- Matt Terenzio
Do they still send out those AOL CDs?
- Cliff Gerrish
I wanted to get 10,000 AOL cds and create a bar from it .
- Matt Terenzio
The model provided by AOL -- aggregation -- was offered by Yahoo! in 1995 and then replaced by Google search which offers unrestricted aggregation AND prioritization (both weaknesses of AOL/Yahoo!) which explains much of their success
- Paul Sherer
The model provided by AOL -- aggregation -- was offered by Yahoo! in 1995 and then replaced by Google search which offers unrestricted aggregation AND prioritization (both weaknesses of AOL/Yahoo!) which explains much of their success
- Paul Sherer
and there will be two comapnies left in the end
- Matt Terenzio
I think I'd be most inclined to bet on companies whose core competencies are sort of obvious. Apple's got a great design aesthetic for electronic devices. Google's great at managing and filtering large repositories of data. NYT's core comp is journalism. What's AOL's?
- Ken Sheppardson
AOL sold their dial up business in the UK. I'm pretty sure they see their future as content/advertising
- Jamie
Yahoo is floundering due to the same lack of obvious core comp.
- Ken Sheppardson
and to a degree that can work (see the engadget model). that said its not a hugely profitable business.
- Jamie
Ken has it right
- Paul Sherer
Both Google and Microsoft have started building integrated software/hardware devices. Here they're chasing after Apple.
- Cliff Gerrish
Rings true Ken.
- Matt Terenzio
Nothing wrong with aggregation if you do it well. Remains to be seen if AOL can do that in a breakout way.
- Ian McGee
Yes Ian, can Saul answer what they're adding?
- Paul Sherer
demand media is a link farm
- Jamie
Just checked, netscape.com redirects to netscape.aol.com, which is just aol.com with a theme.
- Vezquex
Good job drawing Danny out -- I think he's spot on
- Ian McGee
Content must be really exceptional to compete with all the free exceptional content out there already.
- Matt Terenzio
free as in created for love, not pay
- Matt Terenzio
congress? whoah now your'e losing me legislation to pay writers? which ones?
- Matt Terenzio
Yeah, the SXSW band coverage is an interesting example... I seriously doubt anybody who wasn't already going to blog/tweet/self-publish about some random band at SXSW is going to do so because of Seed, and those self-publishing folks are probably more interested/motivated. This content-on-demand strategy sort of inverts search/discovery. If you can't beat Google/Bing at indexing, try to make an end run.
- Ken Sheppardson
rackspace Steve, rackspace!
- Matt Terenzio
Content is only marginally an efficiency product -- its mostly a creative product -- three good paragraphs that capture a situation, event or bio are significantly more valuable (in all seneses) than 3 pages of standard writing.
- Paul Sherer
So does Seed and Demand just become a farm system for independent blogs, or other forms of professional media?
- Cliff Gerrish
like the Kansas City A's
- Matt Terenzio
So if you don't have enough traffic to earn $20 from adsense, you get $20 from seed, then they turn around and put $30 worth of ads around it.
- Ken Sheppardson
^-- business model
- Ken Sheppardson
where in London are BT based Kevin?
- Jamie
Cross-subsidy is the new business model.
- Cliff Gerrish
I think they better figure on 100,000 page views (ugh) per article to make the system work. The economics aren't there for commodity content
- Matt Terenzio
BT are based primarily near St Pauls, but have offices all over the place in the UK
- Kevin Marks
the weekly dave winer reference :-)
- Jamie
cool.. im at MS over in Victoria.
- Jamie
Information isn't like cars. We don't want two distribution channels for information.
- Matt Terenzio
We have more options than ever, true, but channels are constricting.
- Matt Terenzio
In certain areas. Expanding in others.
- Matt Terenzio
Two newspapers in the U.S.S.R
- Matt Terenzio
Both state run
- Matt Terenzio
for over 40 years
- Matt Terenzio
Still, the ability to route around has never been greater
- Matt Terenzio
But information doesn't flow strictly through newspapers any longer...
- Cliff Gerrish
I didn't mean that Cliff. It's just a warning, but as I said the ability to route around channels has never been greater and I'd like to keep it that way.
- Matt Terenzio
I think you can use tools from these big companies to route around them.
- Cliff Gerrish
yes, if you can get an app in the store. . .just kidding, but that is a trend toward control of a sort. It's normal business practice
- Matt Terenzio
just noticed there is now a Buzz tab in Gmail preferences... with an option to totally delete the service (& your google profile)
- Jamie
to show good spirit it'd be nice if another browser ran on the apple platforms, and not Chrome
- Matt Terenzio
Google so far is willing to compete with their own products. That's a huge advantage over most companies which get tied up in themselves over internal turf battles. Look at what happened to Sony in the 90's because the divisions were at war.
- Ian McGee
Thanks guys
- Matt Terenzio
Good stuff.
- Ian McGee
until next time.
- Jamie
Finally. A working Silverlight box. LOL.
- michael silverton
Maybe next time. For those interested, you can ring in with your Buzz product ideas at http://goo.gl/23hn
- michael silverton