Gillmor Gang, Live Recording Session at 1:

I'm now standing by, ready to talk about iPads iPads iPads iPads. :-) - Robert Scoble

So am I.. :) - Kevin Costain

I wonder if you'll talk about the recent Apple changes for developers? - http://theflashblog.com/... - that's some crazy stuff.. - Kevin Costain

iPhone OS 4 not iPads please! - Alex de Soto

Alex: is there a difference? :-) Kevin: of course we'll talk about that. - Robert Scoble

I'm just jealous. Don't have an iPad but I do have a 3GS phone. :( - Alex de Soto

My iPad should be here in Toronto in a few days.. :) - Kevin Costain

Well, why not talk about how Apple mindfucks people into accepting ads as OS features? ;) - Jorge Valentín

Jorge: I thought that was what Google does - Apple just makes you pay for it.. :) - Kevin Costain

Don't get me wrong, am all for devs getting revenue from whenever they can to leave their software free... I'm just saying its ironical that they introduce them as an "OS enhacement". - Jorge Valentín

Jorge, it was a developer event. iAds is a developer feature. I dont understand the problem. - Jamie

check this response from Adobe: http://theflashblog.com/... - Jamie

http://www.blendtec.com/willitb... - Alex de Soto

What app was that? - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

Robert: I guess you gave the second iPad to him :) - Kevin Costain

AP does a great job on the Nintendo wii. - Alex de Soto

Alex: That iPad blend was amazing... great stuff!! - Kevin Costain

Steve shaved and got a haircut for his enterprise job on Monday! - Francine Hardaway

yes, congrats to Steve on the new gig! - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

I had the same glitch with the WSJ app - Francine Hardaway

congrats Steve! please keep the Gang going! - Marshall Kirkpatrick

I wonder if anyone has done a review of the iPad WITHOUT paid apps? How useful is it without any apps or paying for more apps? I recall seeing on Techcrunch that 28% (?) of the apps in the store are free.. not many really.. - Kevin Costain

I have paid more for iPad apps than I ever paid for iPhone apps - Francine Hardaway

Hey Steve, congrats on your new role at Salesforce - Mike Doeff

This is where I came in -- track - Francine Hardaway

Still miss track - Mike Doeff

yea, track was what kept me at twitter once the "oh cool" phase wore off - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

how useful is any computer without apps? not very - Jamie

Lots of Big co's now like Open source - Kevin Marks

congrats to Blaine on landing at Ribbit - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

An iPad with no apps is a really nice web browser... you can then run web apps, and read ePub books - Kevin Marks

What about the IBM/TurboHercules patent mess? I'm hoping that's where we are going.... - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

Oracle's "true" colors will be how deeply they bury MySQL - it's not Open Source if you can't get to the source - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Jamie: I agree that apps are what make the platform what troubles me is that I'm seeing lots of people who bought iPads dumping alot of cash on paid apps. Most platforms are incredibly valuable because of what you can do out-of-the-box (or as free updates or installed apps).. - Kevin Costain

Steve re that you have to read adobe's response to that change in the developer agreement: http://theflashblog.com/... - Jamie

iPad is a Consumer device - capital C consumer where as Apple will do as much value-add as they can to continue the cash flow after the initial purchase. - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Right. No reason to write native apps anymore. Except they are still making money - Francine Hardaway

Blaine: except that a web app that isn't Apple's (which has access to hidden API's) cannot have notifications, background updates, location services, and so on - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Safari does have access to location services - Jamie

Tight integration seems to be winning across the board. Web apps don't have that yet. - Cliff Gerrish

Doesn't Apples move actually encourage HTML5 app development? - Cliff Gerrish

Cliff: I think you're right - either that or a move away from developing for the platform itself.. - Kevin Costain

Kevin C. - As long as there's money to be made in the ecosystem, devs won't move from it. - Cliff Gerrish

In some ways Apple, Google and Microsoft are just making app devs choose which mobile platform to focus on - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

But, is whomever that posted this (http://theflashblog.com/...) correct in saying that Apple's intention to "kill" the Flash platform? - Kevin Costain

yes bear, so we need to extend html5 to add more native support - Kevin Marks

PhoneGap is still a valid approach for cross-platform development. It won't work for games or heavy-duty processing, but you can do a lot of simple stuff that way. - Matt M (inactive)

My mistake - I didn't see that it was Lee Brimelow that posted that.. - Kevin Costain

... and it's still officially sanctioned by apple - Matt M (inactive)

KevinM - yep exactly - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Robert is right - Jamie

native apps still perform stronger than anything i'm seeing in HTML5 too - Marshall Kirkpatrick

But those apps could have been done without needing to fully know Obj C last week. I could have wrote something in many other languages....that's the argument. It has nothing to do with the end user, it has to do with developers and easier cross-platform dev. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

Both Google and Apple can push HTML5 forward via WebKit. It seems like MSFT is on board too. - Cliff Gerrish

for now. Marshall - Francine Hardaway

Remember that closed is also "family-friendly." Even though a smart kid can get smut from the open Web. - Alex de Soto

GillmorGang Recording Session w/ Blaine Cook, Kevin Marks, Doc Searls, Scoble now at: http://building43.com/realtime - Cliff Gerrish

PhoneGap is sanctioned. They went through this a few months ago and worked with Apple to come up with something that would work for Apple and PhoneGap. - Matt M (inactive)

0y. 6 months to obsolescence - Francine Hardaway

There is no market outside of the iPad market -- it's still in the process of being created. - Cliff Gerrish

cliff right - Robert Scoble

What Doc is saying is the one thing that is making me give a "pass" to Apple for the moment since soon Android tablets will be available - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

My attention to Buzz lasted about three weeks - Mike Doeff

But there is no Android phone or tablet without the work that Apple has done. - Cliff Gerrish

News on the possible RIM tablet.. http://bit.ly/9TFfqq - Kevin Costain

Cliff - HTC has shown they have the same level of "wow" hardware design skills as Apple IMO - so i'm hoping they will do something - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Bear, they seem to have 'fast follower' skills -- not original design/market making skills. - Cliff Gerrish

Cliff: what is good about iPad is only 20% hardware, though. - Robert Scoble

@Cliff - I disagree on that. If not Apple, the CrunchPad would have sparked the movement. Not saying the Joo Joo is great but the CrunchPad sparked lot's of early interest. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

Cliff: for those of us with normal household budgets, fast follower is good enough :) - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Robert: It's the whole ecosystem. Apple's been preparing it for 10 years. - Cliff Gerrish

Apple's ecosystem can only be challenged by a user/consumer backlash. As long as this sells, it won't be moved from the top spot.. - Kevin Costain

Mark: the CrunchPad got my interest because Mike was aiming for $300, not $500, and the slate idea is something that catches our interest. Apple has satisfied that interest and now other players will have a tough time to get going. - Robert Scoble

Open messaging protocols seem to be fundamentally different that "open" computing platforms. - Cliff Gerrish

Kevin: and the users are NOT revolting. If anything they are becoming more evangelistic about Apple products. - Robert Scoble

Bambi vs. Godzilla: http://www.youtube.com/watch... - Cliff Gerrish

Robert: From all indications I see - your right. I often hear about the iPhone killer (Blackberry Storm) or no the iPad killer (JooJoo or HP slate). I can't how anything but the consumer could be an iPhone or iPad killer.. and they are clearly enthralled with apple right now.. - Kevin Costain

We always checked into panels at SXSW. That was almost virtual - Francine Hardaway

hmm, I should go talk to some of my Comcast friends about their tv checkin idea - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Francine: exactly. I checked into a revolving door party too. :-) - Robert Scoble

bear get them to look at the netflix activity stream - Kevin Marks

1bn impressions - Jamie

its entirely at the developers discretion - Jamie

and a way for them to subsidise development. - Jamie

Free apps in exchange for watching ads. It's television. - Cliff Gerrish

But, should the check-in be equated to something we actually do in the real world? I almost feel like a new expression is just being created for us. We already express ourselves in the short-form (Twiller), and in the longer form (Blogger) or storytelling (books). Where do we do check-in in real life (except for a hotel)? - Kevin Costain

Yep. I also use Foursquare and don't know why. But, Doc, I am the Mayor of 33 places:-) - Francine Hardaway

KevinM: that was one of the techs on my short list - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

hashtags are the virtual checkins we actually use - Kevin Marks

I managed to be the mayor of one place myself. I would love to know why (other than checking in there.. lol) - Kevin Costain

Look at the iPad Placement in Modern Family. Brilliant and so natural - Stephen Pickering

Stephen: You thought that was natural? Wow. - Kevin Costain

Can't wait to see a Lady Gaga anti-litter campaign. - Alex de Soto

The Truman Show lives. - Cliff Gerrish

Kevin, Yeah, because don't you think there were hundreds of thousands of Guys out there who were really like that guy? I was! - Stephen Pickering

If a product is really part of the culture, why shoudln't it be a natural part of the story? - Stephen Pickering

it helps developers make money. developers stay on the app store. apple wins. - Jamie

Stephen: True, i'm one of those guys. But, what was not natural was how forced the storyline was in that show. And doesn't Steve Jobs partly own the parent company of the show. Eeesh, just a but funky I'd say.. - Kevin Costain

Apple is selling a lifestyle and the tools to get there - just like fashion magazines and clothing companies have been doing for decades. They are just one of the first tech companies to make a successful transition to consumer space - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Perhaps I think a bit too critically about that - but while I was watching the show - it felt wrong, wrong, wrong. I can understand not everyone felt that way. - Kevin Costain

Kevin, didn't feel forced to me. I enjoyed it, but we can agree to disagree. Yes, I realized Disney owns ABC, but what I find interesting is that there are a lot of Macs in that show, but the Apple Logo is covered by a sticker on all of them at least in the older epidsodes. I wondered why - Stephen Pickering

The page turn on the iPad is beautiful.. I love the look of that.. - Kevin Costain

Every day I enjoy and more amazed by my iPad. Last night I watched a movie on the wicked netflix app and I can just carry that movie with me wherever I go - Stephen Pickering

http://romeda.org/rePublish is Blaine's ebook reader - Kevin Marks

the #qanda hashtag works that way in Australia. Its a weekly TV ABC show where a panel of politicians and other people take questions. The Twitter stream is becoming integral, democratizing - Hilary Talbot

We are the world's biggest consumers! The iPad fits the culture perfectly. - Alex de Soto

But, Stephen, you (and any other viewer of the show) are the indicator for whether or not they went too far. The rating will always reflect that. The question is, though, do you think that show helped sell iPads? If we are to think of the show as an advertisement. - Kevin Costain

Hilary - I often bring up Twitter now when I'm watching the rare live TV show (most of my TV consumption is time-shifted now) - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

really blaine? - Jamie

Yes, I do a bit with other shows, too, bear. The interesting thing about Q and A is that the ABC knows its happening and plays to it as well. - Hilary Talbot

What Blaine is talking about was demoed (IIRC) at Xerox Parc in the 70's -- the system followed you from room to room and any computer you were next to became your workspace - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

All of the other tablet devices are inferior in the number of things they leave out. Simplicity rules. - Cliff Gerrish

Kevin, oh yeah, I think it did. When I saw him blow those "virtual" candles out with his real breath, that pushed me over the edge. - Stephen Pickering

scoble ftw - Jamie

Hilary - oh snap - I didn't realize it enabled a tighter feedback loop - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

haha.. dont let them pick on you Scoble! - Kevin Costain

User Experience is the Killer app, that's what drives popularity which then leads to a platform ecosystem - Stephen Pickering

You're right Robert, the user experience is incredible. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

I've heard this argument before. - Robert Scoble

Stephen: I thought the timing was a bit off - but that was pretty cool.. :) - Kevin Costain

yea, I wonder why more folks are not calling "follower foul" on Apple for bringing in some of the Nexus One features - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Moore's Law and Battery Life are on a collision course. - Cliff Gerrish

THe thing is, any of these companies could build a similar device, but they don't. It's like they are blindsided - Stephen Pickering

we heard the argument just 3 years ago. the iphone doesnt do this, it doesnt do that. - Jamie

The phone wars are over. The pad is the next battle ground - Stephen Pickering

Yes, very much, Bear, And the q's are kind of off-the-cuff , so you see a different side of the panelists. - Hilary Talbot

And nothing does ALL of this/that together.. really a glowing rock with 11 hours of battery life would sell.. :) - Kevin Costain

What else compares to that? No PC of any sort.. - Kevin Costain

Hilary - ah, I can see how not having a prepared script will cause them to react in a more organic/normal way to questions - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

I switched from my Blackberry to Andriod for the touch interface.. the Storm doesn't do it for me either.. I'm still using the G1 (for now).. - Kevin Costain

This is a marriage of the Analog and Digital world. - Stephen Pickering

The only thing I see about the iPad that causes me to not immediately buy one is just that my $dayjob requires me to have more than one application's window active as I do research or fix issues. I would need 2 or 3 iPads *and* have them be able to share data - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

It took me about a week to totally get used to the iPad. And when the new OS comes out it will be even better. - Francine Hardaway

Stephen - GUI + NUI (Natural User Interface) - Cliff Gerrish

Cliff, ah yes, I like that, NUI - Stephen Pickering

I have carried nothing but the iPad all week. I do have a problem with productivity apps and attachments. I presume OS 4.0 will fix that - Francine Hardaway

An interesting perspective on how the iPhone was a training tool for a new era of iPads. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

the iPhone was also a proving ground for small UI's and if the user would accept a single task oriented consumer device - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Viewing the twitter stream by touch gesture is incredible, I must say. It's a much more natural way of travelling through the stream - Kevin Costain

Does it have a mike and camera? - Alex de Soto

Where's Dave Winer????? - Francine Hardaway

yeah get dave in the picture - Jamie

Don't be so sure he doesn't want to be on - Francine Hardaway

Get Dave on! - Mike Doeff

Holy crap, a true kick-ass conversation on FF <sniff> This is beautiful man </sniff> - Dave Hodson

so is the Chirp conference just a "make them feel good" while they sharpen they knife? - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Liked Ben Long's naysayer about iPad. Exactly my experience. Amazed the way all you guys have drunk the kool-aid. - Jefferson Berlin

Loic didn't seem happy - Stephen Pickering

This is what Calacanis warned of though - Stephen Pickering

Stephen: especially since they announced the "Official" BlackBerry app - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Loic has said Seesmic is about helping you connect with your brand, not about Twitter - Francine Hardaway

Yeah, he didn't like "official" - Stephen Pickering

Yes! Congrats Steve! - Kevin Costain

a great show Steve! - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

cool, Scoble's playing Geometry Wars. - Vezquex

The 4/9 ep is on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch... - beersage

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