Gillmor Gang, recording live today 1pm PST participate at http://www.building43.com/realtim...
John Taschek,
Majento,
Nir Ben Yona,
Robert Scoble,
Francine Hardaway,
Tina Chase Gillmor,
clive boulton,
Ankush Narula,
Aron Michalski,
and
Jerome Hughes
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- Steve Gillmor
slight delay but things are looking good here in the studio
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I am so patient.
- Francine Hardaway
Francine is that a mantra or are you tempting fate?
- Aron Michalski
Hi everybody:-)
- Francine Hardaway
Mantra of course.
- Francine Hardaway
hi, saw a snippet of Andrew Keen early there, guess he'll be one of the guests
- Jerome Hughes
Hey, see what the comment list just did? Can we get G+ to learn that trick?
- Aron Michalski
Sorry, I'm the holdup. On now. Starting shortly.
- Robert Scoble
Is Andrew even on +? I looked for him and couldn't find him
- Francine Hardaway
sure G+ will learn a bunch more "new" tricks pretty quickly
- Jerome Hughes
Sweeeeeeeeet!
- Francine Hardaway
Andrew, do you belong to + yet?
- Francine Hardaway
Andrew Keen is the last one not on Google+. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Hi everyone.
- Nir Ben Yona
Andrew's interview with the G+ folks was great!
- Alex de Soto
Why???
- Francine Hardaway
I enjoyed it.
- Robert Scoble
I enjoyed it, too. I meant why wasn't Andrew on +
- Francine Hardaway
Social backbone articel: http://radar.oreilly.com/2011...
- Kevin Marks
can someone shoot a link to the Keen/G+ interview?
- Aron Michalski
Thanks Kevin.
- Aron Michalski
Gray, the studio cat, reset some audio setting before the show and now is crying outside wanting to come in a mess up some other stuff
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Let him/her in! --animal rights activist
- Francine Hardaway
that's Steve's Beatle coffe mug
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I am getting about 100 and know 1
- Francine Hardaway
What is the word on g+ for Apps accts? Nobody I know cares abt anything else. Just internal Collab.
- coldbrew
3 and 0
- Aron Michalski
I want the ones that don't just say "I agree"
- Francine Hardaway
Scoble's family blocked him too?
- Kevin Marks
my thought as well...noise,noise, noise.
- Aron Michalski
+Kevin Marks of course. They were first
- Francine Hardaway
noisy people, then the people who follow them
- Kevin Marks
Haven't we all been through this before as we organized this very site I'm typing info into?
- coldbrew
then, the people I follow who comment on the floods, making te show up in my notifications
- Kevin Marks
The collapsing comments would help along with Micah's chrome plug in.
- Aron Michalski
yes, coldbrew. Or indeed in blog comments before that
- Kevin Marks
Kevin: no, my family doesn't get to see every post. Only some of them.
- Robert Scoble
Kevin: Facebook algorithmically filters out a LOT of posts.
- Robert Scoble
G+ could learn a great deal from watching an active swarm on FF, circa 2 years ago.
- Aron Michalski
a billion shares a day!
- Kenny
How about when the original poster +1/Likes a comment, it bubbles up to the top - seems like a moderated approach
- Ankush Narula
Current numbers are irrelevant.
- coldbrew
It's a marathon, not a sprint.
- coldbrew
agreed coldbrew
- Kenny
you don't see all the posts on twitter, that's the point.
- Kevin Marks
The simple fact is, G+ is also much easier (than FriendFeed) for the average user to digest.
- Darren
I joined in Jan 2007
- Francine Hardaway
Google is probably just happy they are not seeing a Wave/Buzz response, getting something more viral.
- Aron Michalski
ah hang on, try this link for Keen's interview: http://techcrunch.com/2011...
- Kevin Marks
Friendfeed, Twitter and Facebook were training grounds for social media interactions. Made it easy to adopt G+ and whatever comes next.
- Alex de Soto
Oslo on G+ was more visceral and compelling.
- Aron Michalski
i think Quora has it right
- Ankush Narula
G+ is Facebook but for people you're interested in. Unlike Twitter,engagement is confined to comments and likes which means the stream itself is less polluted and easier to find topics/information to converse around.
- Darren
Ales -I was feeling the same about the acceptance of plus. we're already well educated in Social
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Alex, good point. Perhaps we were just being taught to navigate the stream and learn some manners.
- Aron Michalski
it's twiiter+facebook+Friendfeed
- Kenny
Ales=Alex
- Tina Chase Gillmor
mmm, Ale
- Kevin Marks
Where is the startup that allows you to import your g+ data?
- coldbrew
It's Twitter spliced with Facebook.
- Darren
I can follow/see public folks like Robert, Kevin Marks, etc but I also follow/see my family/friends (if they ever join) - I get to chose!
- Kenny
On my way to get some....ale that is. I'll catch the recording later.
- Alex de Soto
We need an API first?
- coldbrew
I have 50 lists on Facebook
- Ankush Narula
Marks: It's pilsner for me today. Too hot.
- coldbrew
Oslo - G+ limitation is that you can't post images/video as comment to a post
- Doug
Hangouts + Gaming is going to revolutionize things.
- Darren
Steve says my chair is too noisy
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Robert might need to move to the other end of the counter...
- Aron Michalski
So if G+ adds crowdsourced topic tagging (like Quora) maybe the content becomes much more relevant and interesting
- Ankush Narula
Naive, Robert. VCs don't talk much about their deals publicly, and they also have lives:-)
- Francine Hardaway
Sorry what?
- Darren
2 things G+ needs to add/fix quickly before people get annoyed and move on: 1) only show the last 5 replies, minimizes the rest(user can expand all replies if they want), 2) stop pushing posts to the top when there is a new reply or at least make it an option
- Kenny
what to who, Darren?
- Kevin Marks
I have a Chrome extension that collapsed old posts
- Francine Hardaway
Kenny +1
- Ankush Narula
- Francine Hardaway -something like that should that should be built in
- Kenny
Kevin, in reference to Steve and his "authoritative stream" comment.
- Darren
I'd be interested in this crew's thoughts on the 'anonymous' kids wreaking havoc. Any Interest in sharing those?
- coldbrew
Kevin - the people who make all this noise are the Scobles, you, etc of the world, those people get put into a certain circle and I look at it when I want - I switch between stream types to see different info
- Kenny
Seems like Techmeme has slowed it's crawling down considerably.
- coldbrew
Kenny, sounds like you get some utility out of lists (or in this case circles) as also happens here
- Jerome Hughes
I need to confess...I'm having a Corona with lime right now. The weekend begins
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I forgive you Tina
- Francine Hardaway
I agree with Scoble. If your goal is good information, why build a graph based on people instead of interests?
- Darren
thank you Francine. That means the world to me ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Jerome, yes. I just need G+ to allow me to watch select several stream at once, instead of one at a time, for example let me check off and watch my friends and family streams and not see the others until I want ot
- Kenny
Darren: The info eventually comes from people, so one has to trust the sources or the info is irrelevant.
- coldbrew
Kenny, until you can mix them, do you run multiple tabs for your faves?
- Jerome Hughes
people are a good locus of information; twitter allows non-human authorities to speak too
- Kevin Marks
Winer seems to be a bit off lately.
- coldbrew
and semi-human, too!
- Jerome Hughes
I would argue more human, but there ya go.
- coldbrew
Jerome, no I just switch between them - kind of a pain right now
- Kenny
On G+, I think I've added about 100 people who have made a good comment - it's as simple as mousing over and adding them to the Following circle (and I've removed people just as quickly for too many crappy posts)
- Ankush Narula
You can add G+ search in Chrome, and i hear of extensions too
- Majento
"If winer didnt built it himself, it sucks" - that's what I'm getting.
- coldbrew
Kevin, That would be a clear circle for me in a folder/list/Flipboard sense with the newsbots in a circle and the respected commenters in another.
- Aron Michalski
coldbrew, the algorithm can leverage people for prioritization, reputation and ranking of the information.
- Darren
I gotcha say Gilmor seems more positive about G+ then any other Google product...I'm shocked
- Kenny
any comments on the gaming announcement?
- Aron Michalski
coldbrew: I think Winer gets frustrated with closed and centralized solutions - it just so happens that most of the popular services of the day are just that
- Ankush Narula
there was a gaming announcement? I thought it was just rumor?
- Kenny
It's a much better product than the last 5 they have presented, even if they are kinda parts of G+
- Aron Michalski
Darren: I suppose. But, I'm one of those people that doesn't like the algorithm, nor data mining. Personal preference, of course.
- coldbrew
Kenny... since gMail, perhaps
- Jerome Hughes
that's also part of what kicks off that article citation links, those "entity" accounts ~ "personas"
- Jerome Hughes
Because Google screwed up
- Ankush Narula
he now has two accounts with the ame name, right?
- Kenny
I'm with Gillmor on this one. I'll say no more
- coldbrew
yep
- Ankush Narula
@violetblue on G+ http://t.co/pUDi0mA (face up internet full of socializing sexual humans).
- clive boulton
@mashable on twitter is Pete Cashmore's account
- Kevin Marks
as is @petecashmore
- Kevin Marks
Hrm. Is this a little bias I'm sensing now?
- Darren
The problem for businesses is authenticity and brand infringement - Google needs to create certified accounts
- Ankush Narula
Darren? how so?
- Robert Scoble
Maybe not an announcement... https://plus.google.com/1100125...
- Aron Michalski
#FB eventually intro'ed fan pages for this
- Jerome Hughes
http://venturebeat.com/2011... Club Penguin in their sights
- Kevin Marks
Scobilzer is the internet!
- clive boulton
Are they insisting on us regurgitating info or us morphing into a brand with our name?
- Aron Michalski
I'm confused ;)
- Kenny
it's a word now
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Is Facebook == Mark Zuckerberg?
- Ankush Narula
individuals interact with other individuals and with institutions both
- Jerome Hughes
I sometimes think of some of you as a source , rarely a brand (Scoble maybe) but always individuals.
- Aron Michalski
is Andy Carvin NPR?
- Kevin Marks
thanks, Kevin!
- Jerome Hughes
There's no question that G+ is genius. It's completely changed my perspective of Google and their future. It's also changed how I think about their existing services.
- Darren
that's this point: http://radar.oreilly.com/2011...
- Kevin Marks
I can't wait until it is integrated with GReader, Gmail, etc
- Francine Hardaway
Kevin: yes, Andy is NPR.
- Robert Scoble
Kevin, here's Andy Carvin on Google+: https://plus.google.com/1173780...
- Robert Scoble
WOW I agree with Gilmor
- Kenny
Steve is right on
- Christian Burns
Everyone settle down now, G+ is a brand new service, they will work through these issues (sum might agree with it others won't), Twitter and Facebook all have gone through these issues and will still go through similar issue - It took years for Facebook to get to 750mil users - it will take a while for G+ to grow past these issues
- Kenny
I agree with him as well.
- Francine Hardaway
I value Kevin and Steve's pointers more than a media source, more along the lines of an advisor or spiritual guide. I'm sure that sounds daft, but because they bring their personality and brains to the equation, it adds value to the post.
- Aron Michalski
Its a bete
- Christian Burns
beta
- Christian Burns
Watch Ed Chi embedded in G+ for direction http://bit.ly/pJWl7m
- clive boulton
Keen, :) no
- Christian Burns
Kevin's voice sounds particularly good today
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I'm not sure how a public persona would not be on it (I'm not a public persona, so I am not on it).
- coldbrew
is this keen? https://plus.google.com/1145004...
- Kevin Marks
I just joined, Will there be an mp3 download rob?
- Christian Burns
this group rocks… here's a list that _might_ be useful... http://twitter.com/list...
- Jerome Hughes
Airplay
- Ankush Narula
thank me! ;)
- Kenny
ah, thank you tina.
- Kevin Marks
more so than someone who is co-opted by a corporate plan (well, Salesforce has nothing to offer me professionally other than a day of employment next month).
- Aron Michalski
thanks, Kenny!
- Jerome Hughes
I have missed the gang sooooo much
- Christian Burns
:)
- Kenny
thanks guys.
- coldbrew
Thank you. Cya next time!
- Nir Ben Yona
later all
- Kenny
ciao
- Ankush Narula
Thank you all.
- Aron Michalski
good to see you here, Christian! and thanks to all
- Jerome Hughes
This was good, thanks all
- Majento
One of these days we should do a hangout
- Christian Burns