Gillmor Gang, recording live today 1pm PST participate at http://www.building43.com/realtim...
Kevin Costain,
Christian Burns ,
Business Lancer,
clive boulton,
Christi Olson,
Aron Michalski,
Jerome Hughes,
Ankush Narula,
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who's here today?
- Dale Lature
you're here Dale!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
yes, that's true, but I meant to ask "Whos' ON" :)
- Dale Lature
hello from the bottom of the frying pan.
- Aron Michalski
hi, Aron! it's gotten a bit cooler up here, just in time for Lolla weekend
- Jerome Hughes
oooh boy. That can be a toughie. Did it in 2005 and my glasses were foggy all day.
- Aron Michalski
so they're pretty happy with low-mid 80s, for sure
- Jerome Hughes
We are having some sun up here in NW Washington, its been a beautiful week
- Christian Burns
where you're hoping for more warmth… Hi, Christian!
- Jerome Hughes
This is day 35 of continuous 100 plus. It just doesn't let up. Over 90 at 6am, 100 at 11pm
- Aron Michalski
feel for ya, have done it, but only for a couple weeks at a time...
- Jerome Hughes
I am only on for a bit today, Honest question, is there a way to download the whole show later?
- Christian Burns
I'm a moron for moving here.
- Aron Michalski
Aron. You will enjoy the weather here when you come. Not too hot at all
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I'm counting the SECONDS.
- Aron Michalski
standby everyone... mic needed new battery... and then there's the missing Scoble ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
and you'll probably love it there in the winter, too
- Jerome Hughes
hello there
- Kevin Marks
Welcome Kevin
- Christian Burns
look around the kitchen, by the pantry...
- Aron Michalski
I'm here, waiting for the call.
- Robert Scoble
Robert McScoble
- Ankush Narula
Sorry for the delay. Blame it on Teens in Tech. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Mayor McCheese...
- Aron Michalski
Check, Check 1 , 2, 3, Hello.
- Kevin Costain
We're on air now. http://www.building43.com/realtim...
- Robert Scoble
geez i botched that
- Tina Chase Gillmor
2+2 = you shouldn't be on the Internet
- Ankush Narula
Inside baseball that affect us all
- Christian Burns
who is google sutting down over pattents?
- Christian Burns
MSFT & Apple vs Google
- Christi Olson
Congress isnt keeping you from having a flying car
- Christian Burns
Google following up on the outrage we all felt over that episode of This American Life is a smart move. Lets try and get some traction on this issue
- Christian Burns
Patent Trolling may kill so many Start-ups
- Moe Glitz
LOL
- Abhijeet Desai
the fear of being sued stops more innovation than we will ever know
- Christian Burns
Gruber's pretty much a Google-hater - it gives him better access inside Apple
- Ankush Narula
the battery makes a big difference.
- Aron Michalski
I just copied and pasted Gruber's actual quote: "Google seems to feel entitled to copy whatever it wants. Android copies the UI from the iPhone. Places copied data from Yelp. Google+ copies from Facebook. Their coupon thing is a clone of Groupon. And yet it’s Google that acts as though it has been offended when these competitors fight back."
- Alex de Soto
Companies deliver Jetsons Patents which they can never develop. But when someone else creates a product that has elements of that Jetsons Patent, the Jetsons Patent holder sues, even though they could never create such a product.
- Moe Glitz
803 lawyers !!
- Abhijeet Desai
"Good comics borrow, great comics steal".
- Aron Michalski
Alex: there's prior art for all of that - it's just that those citations made those concepts high profile
- Ankush Narula
Let me guess, Apple?
- Ankush Narula
Robert, will there be a new iPad HD version this fall?
- Moe Glitz
mining the vast anti-Apple developer vein
- Jerome Hughes
Why do you think that "look and feel" became a defense? It's because of the fact that code can be one line different, therefore not a complete rip.
- Aron Michalski
The apps we need will show up before the end of the day.
- Christian Burns
look and feel didn't succeed, it was actual code copying that got Apple/Microsoft into the lawsuit
- Kevin Marks
"ATTENTION ALL APPLE COMPETITORS: give up. signed, the Gillmor Gang PS- Resistance is futile.
- Aron Michalski
iPad Nano… Model No: A1203
- Jerome Hughes
facebook
- Christian Burns
google search.
- Aron Michalski
newsgroups!
- Jerome Hughes
Email is dead: http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Kevin Marks
Moe: I keep hearing rumors of a new iPad. This year or early next is the question. I hope this year is true.
- Robert Scoble
"It's all about Facetime, Airplay, and Push Notifications", Love Steve
- Ankush Narula
Talking is dead.
- Aron Michalski
except in hangouts
- Jerome Hughes
I think xkcd sums it up: http://xkcd.com/934/
- Kevin Marks
Not putting flash on the iPad leaves a huge opening that HP and Android can take advantage of. So much content is in flash, and content is king
- Stephen Pickering
Facial recognition FTW.
- Aron Michalski
Kevin: Agreed
- Ankush Narula
GG, the original hangout, Should have got a patent
- Christian Burns
If it's next year then it will be the iPad 3!
- Moe Glitz
the Phone app icon on my iPhone stays tucked away in a 'Utilities' folder, rarely opened.
- kosso
the big issue is the human confusion with the backwards scrolling on Lion...
- Aron Michalski
And everything you need is also on android,
- Christian Burns
What really sucks with all Apple products is the sound quality. Or lack of!
- Moe Glitz
My most used app on the Mac and on the iPad is the web browser - by leaps and bounds
- Ankush Narula
Not hurting for apps, even if its not pretty
- Christian Burns
they beat them in 'shiny'
- kosso
Christian: bull. The apps on my Samsung suck compared to iPad.
- Robert Scoble
It's funny because most of the music recorded in the past 10 years was recorded on a Mac.
- Aron Michalski
Im talking phone, not pad
- Christian Burns
they beat them here: http://bit.ly/WindowsToMac
- MarkDilley
Still use my Nexus One.
- Aron Michalski
no contract android for $99
- Christian Burns
no
- Christian Burns
because my android can play to AppleTV
- Kevin Marks
At least the HP Touchpad is working around developing a better sound system with Dre Beats!
- Moe Glitz
AppleTV running aTV Flash/Seas0nPass is great
- kosso
We dont own a TV, no cable for almost 10 years
- Christian Burns
saw a 40" 1080p TV for $300 last week, tempted for a new monitor.
- Kevin Marks
Mager just gave me a spotify invite, finally.
- Christian Burns
Exactlt kevin
- Christian Burns
Christian: the pad is mostly what I'm talking about, although even on phones the iPhone apps are generally better quality than Android ones too, but Android is doing "good enough."
- Robert Scoble
Cloud Music, Cloud Services, it's important
- Stephen Pickering
music friends are starting to sling playlists on it
- Jerome Hughes
turntable.fm is still nicer
- Kevin Marks
Kevin: I agree, except on mobile.
- Robert Scoble
I agree Kevin
- MarkDilley
Spotify is social - I follow other people's playlists
- Ankush Narula
We are still a year or two from getting a tablet, so Android will be what we get, because it will be up to speed by then
- Christian Burns
Where is the random on Spotify - I like the access to the music, I just don't want to curate it so much, and if I do, I like Turntable.fm
- MarkDilley
for now seems Spotify is social async, #TT is social realtime
- Jerome Hughes
Music culture is Dead!
- Moe Glitz
now that you can upload all your stuff to Amazon and Google for free, it won't matter until Apple does it. It works great, except it maxes out your onboard RAM on Android phones. Desktop, big win.
- Aron Michalski
I'll try it agin with more people on it, but way less social than turntable. Though apparently listen on turntable, add to spotify is good
- Kevin Marks
Spotify is great on the go...but turntable is cooool
- Tina Chase Gillmor
If only turntable had an spp
- Christian Burns
It's just like Louis CK says, "Everything's amazing and no one's happy."
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen hear hear.
- Aron Michalski
Turntable.fm is interesting... but the Flash client stinks
- Ankush Narula
Every sound or tribe has been discovered
- Moe Glitz
turntable just needs to get it's html5 audio act together. There's no flash except for audio
- Kevin Marks
they've got a system that deserves an app, good place to be
- Jerome Hughes
instant post with G+ is a great back up
- Aron Michalski
Our home runs on 4 year old laptops, android and an old iPhone 3G on wifi becasue we are poor :)
- Christian Burns
Google is the king of the Cloud, what does he mean?
- Stephen Pickering
i have no desire to load up a big flash ui to have bobbing cartoon avatars play music. (even if I did have access in the uk)
- kosso
YouTube is google's spotify
- Kevin Marks
kosso - it is magical
- MarkDilley
Kevin +1
- Ankush Narula
it's not flash, kosso, it's html5
- Kevin Marks
Only Social can save Music.
- Moe Glitz
Christian, I'm with you. I have to fight for every new shiny thing, my only keyboard computer is from 2008.
- Aron Michalski
transport
- Jerome Hughes
Spotify isn't free - it's ad supported and subscription based - I don't understand the argument?
- Ankush Narula
Spotify or Turntable.FM rules
- Moe Glitz
I'm glad to pay working musicians for their art.
- Aron Michalski
fair enough. bit still, I dont need the cutesy ui, I like the radio fine ;) especially amazingradio.com for listening to brand new stuff which mainstream radio wont play
- kosso
Yeah, but those were vinyl albums, they sounded better, you got all the notes and photos of the sessions
- Stephen Pickering
Don't we all spend money on tech?
- MarkDilley
Aron and Christian: I used to be poor, now my gadget budget is on credit cards. :-)
- Robert Scoble
We buy internet access
- Christian Burns
open turntable.fm on the iPad, everythign but the audio works - not flash
- Kevin Marks
kosso - it is all about the social on #TT - and there a DJ's creating music just for the rooms there.
- MarkDilley
but i'm in the uk. no access here.
- kosso
BTW, HBOgo doesn't work for Time Warner users.
- Aron Michalski
I dont want to be poor so we got rid of credit cards 3 years ago, See Cuban post
- Christian Burns
yeah, that sucks kosso. same with spotify here unti last week.
- Kevin Marks
+1 Kevin, Kosso
- MarkDilley
Great. Non-downloadable music on the clouds.
- Aron Michalski
Digital music has killed the Album Cover which was a huge buzz in Pop Culture!
- Moe Glitz
If the beatles only got 5 cents per dollar you spent would you still want to buy it?
- Christian Burns
bullish on Big Data boom
- clive boulton
What do you think 'the YouTube of audio' is? (not just talking about music/movies)
- kosso
And I thought album covers where killed by the cassette tapes
- MarkDilley
mp3.com from 1999
- Christian Burns
I can only listen to my music when I'm connected to the network? Does anyone remember that the entire world is not 3G, let alone 1G?
- Aron Michalski
Spotify has some caching or downloading features for when you have not network access, I think
- Stephen Pickering
Cassette and LP's were buddies in the past
- Moe Glitz
Anyone heard of a "signed" plug-in?
- Ankush Narula
I had pretty much given up on music, just listened to Pandora - and #TT surprised me, re-ignited my caring about music again, haven't felt that through spotify
- MarkDilley
web app sucks for me at ~200 friends
- MarkDilley
I'm conjecturing on the idea of storing all your media on the cloud and the media companies wanting to only make media available so you can't steal it. At least not the increasingly lazy populace.
- Aron Michalski
it works great on android
- Christian Burns
G+ for the Android update is great.
- Aron Michalski
Roberts battery huge
- clive boulton
It kind of sucked but then they updated it aboin
- Christian Burns
you could probably get the iPhone app run on the iPad by doing the same hack that people got the Facebook iPad app to work on it
- kosso
whining iphone users
- Christian Burns
Web app works fine for me with 1200 friends - that's absurd
- Ankush Narula
slow, crashes browser
- MarkDilley
They fixed the things I was griping about
- Aron Michalski
Aron's dead right G+ on Android great
- clive boulton
+ app crashes on ios 5 beta 4
- Arnold John
Robert's nearly 500 comments on one post (politics and the economy) froze G+ on my Chrome CR-48 yesterday.
- Alex de Soto
poor steve, stuck on iphone
- Christian Burns
Remember fast trackers: G+, 1 month, 25 million users, no Fail Whale. Try that Twitter.
- Aron Michalski
it was a rush job, just to keep iPhone users happy, since Android had an app. It will definitely improve - to much fanfare, I'm sure.
- kosso
android for the rest of us on phones,
- Christian Burns
Nebula moving out of John Doerr's basement, Big Data Cloud boom
- clive boulton
we'll have it with a usable interface
- Jerome Hughes
There is room for more than one company!!
- Aron Michalski
plenty of room, diverse desires
- Jerome Hughes
And in 2 years, android tablets will be "more popular" than ipad
- Christian Burns
You don't have to use it, like it or even acknowledge it. Just realize that it can exist.
- Aron Michalski
yingtongyingtong yiddee...
- kosso
Christian: probably, but they need apps first.
- Robert Scoble
School districts will buy android tablets because they can "control" them
- Christian Burns
There's a difference between different and wrong. Most of the time.
- Aron Michalski
2 years robert,
- Christian Burns
Christian: and because the Android tablets are cheaper.
- Robert Scoble
my summary of this show: haphazard ;)
- kosso
:) agreed
- Christian Burns
Apple= New York Yankees. Everybody else= everybody else.
- Aron Michalski
washington generals
- Jerome Hughes
the cake is a lie
- kosso
Making something out of the same thing.
- Aron Michalski
Aron +1
- Christian Burns
Jerome, talk about inside basketball...
- Aron Michalski
Google plus needs to implement ++Username to plus a person.
- kosso
Man, Friendfeed sure works great for this conversation
- Christian Burns
apps vs. web: the war to avoid typing a URL...
- Aron Michalski
++username - I agree, Kosso
- Hilary Talbot
24/96?
- Jerome Hughes
Android gets really buggy with installing too many apps
- Christian Burns
http://hybridauth.sourceforge.net/ is neat and useful - OpenID and OAuth etc..
- kosso
Just deleted 30 apps and it sped up my phone considerably
- Christian Burns
Aron: It's actually the war to steal the entirety of your screen (think Lion full screen apps)
- Ankush Narula
Christian- not enough RAM in 98% Android phones...no, make that 99%.
- Aron Michalski
When these mushrooms kick in, it'll make sense. hehehehehehhehe
- Stephen Pickering
Lion is the beginning of the convergence, very clear.
- Aron Michalski
But I was coming from a iPhone 3G so I have no complaints
- Christian Burns
A touch screen iMac with a keyboard and a really cool swivel arm is next...
- Aron Michalski
So are 10 years away from democracy?
- Christian Burns
http://my.nameis.me is excellent
- Kevin Marks
No comment on the pseudonym issue?
- kosso
I said google needs to drop it
- Kevin Marks
they all use their real names and don't care.
- Aron Michalski
yes Kevin - it is great
- MarkDilley
Gillmor gang still the best show
- Christian Burns
I think they have to allow pseudonyms - too many good reasons
- Ankush Narula
They are personally branded.
- Aron Michalski
Have you seen http://bit.ly/GoogleP... Kevin?
- MarkDilley
podcasts are dominate in drivetime
- Christian Burns
audible
- Christian Burns
they will develop a second layer, just like the business layer.
- Aron Michalski
Apple will buy Spotify
- Michael Wiley
Streaming is so stupid
- Christian Burns
...and we're gonna start paying per meg/gig/teri
- Aron Michalski
streaming its a false limitation
- Christian Burns
Apple will not buy Spotify
- Ankush Narula
Bandwidth is infinite. Mobile bandwidth has increased 55x in the last 7 years
- Stephen Pickering
vidcasts are podcasts... just don't lok at at ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
how will you connect?
- Aron Michalski
torrents are more efficient
- Christian Burns
too much in the 'cloud' is forcing far too much unnecessary streaming.
- kosso
Who owns Spotify? The labels?
- Stephen Pickering
kosso +1
- Christian Burns
Neither of them sign bands.
- kosso
how many gig of content can we consume per day?
- Christian Burns
to the cell network? Wifi? Someone else's wifi?
- Aron Michalski
artists make hardly any money at all on Spotify.
- kosso
That's last mile that has been choked off by regulation to slow the death of media entirely in one fell swoop
- Stephen Pickering
it will continue to be the domain of the rich and the addicted.
- Aron Michalski
Without the Telecom Act of 96 we'd all have gigabit internet right now, and the first internet meltdown wouldn't have happened
- Stephen Pickering
Artists need to diversify their own revenue streams - look at what's happening with musicians over on Etsy http://mashable.com/2011...
- Ankush Narula
I buy their t shirts. No streaming required.
- Aron Michalski
re music, better to have your favorites stored in higher resolutions than they'll stream, worth the overhead
- Jerome Hughes
Great, we need that group of people who F&%ed over the artist and F#$%ed over the listener at the same time survive. Hooray.
- Aron Michalski
That is the killer feature of #TT - upload own music Kevin Marks
- MarkDilley
streaming is great for discovery, if you've got ears & equipment, there's more there there locally for now
- Jerome Hughes
lets hangout on google plus & discuss technology guys http://goo.gl/BJP1j
- Abhijeet Desai
Zoë Keating says she gets people buying multiple copies of her albums to support her
- Kevin Marks
gold chain lizards
- Jerome Hughes
you're welcome
- kosso
Broke even
- Stephen Pickering
Thanks Tina, thanks gang...
- Aron Michalski
Thanks Kosso!
- Robert Scoble
ciao
- Ankush Narula
Splendid! Cheers! :)
- kosso
thanks everyone here... you make this show GREAT!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
cya guys in the hangout all r free to join http://goo.gl/BJP1j
- Abhijeet Desai
Time for a cup of tea. Ta ta for now.
- kosso
delete a G+ circle, g8 annimation
- clive boulton