Gillmor Gang recording live 1PM Pacific ht

Looks like Bret Taylor of Facebook is talking with the Gang.... - Cliff Gerrish

Hopefully Bret shows up. Otherwise we'll be forced to talk about Twitter's new lists feature and you know where THAT will lead! - Robert Scoble

I want to get a few words in about http://bit.ly/Spawn on Gillmor Gang today - Kevin Marks

we will start in a minute. - Robert Scoble

Only 13 viewers? - beersage

Gillmor Gang is recorded live in front of a live studio audience. - Cliff Gerrish

Oops, missed my calendar notification for this week's episode. - Matt M (inactive)

The names have not been changed to protect the innocent... - Aron Michalski

Gillmor Gang is recorded live in front of a real-time web audience... - Kevin Marks

I'm happy to see a simplification of the Facebook API. That's one issue I've always had with the platform. The initial learning curve is very steep. - Matt M (inactive)

Scoble still wants to port your email address out of Facebook... - Cliff Gerrish

I don't have enough friends in my email address book to make Scoble's screen look busy enough - Aron Michalski

I did a little hacking on this with @bradfitz's code at http://unmung.appspot.com - Kevin Marks

The question is should Scoble be able to send your email address to another platform, or another application. - Cliff Gerrish

Do I have to agree to TOS with Scoble or does he have to agree with me? - Aron Michalski

Facebook is the intermediary. Although you have a social contact with Scoble. - Cliff Gerrish

Cliff: I did a brute force workaround. I just manually copied the email addresses I wanted into Outlook myself. - Robert Scoble

Robert, it's the programatic access that can lead to looting of addess books. - Cliff Gerrish

The TOS doesn't forbid me from doing that and it only took a few hours. - Robert Scoble

Cliff: yeah, but sorry, if you are a spammer you just go to Mechanical Turk and pay someone to do it. - Robert Scoble

Yes, I agree. But the question is should Facebook facilitate the process? - Cliff Gerrish

Putting money in front of a spammer's problem will reduce the amount of spam dramatically (which is why spammer probably won't use mturk). Maybe Facebook should charge per-user/per-transaction fees to extract email addresses? - Matt M (inactive)

"Facebook is an identity platform." Very interesting competitive landscape -- Twitter, Google, MSFT, Comcast? - Cliff Gerrish

"Your inside is out, and your outside is in" - Cliff Gerrish

Comcast? You mean Plaxo? - Ken Sheppardson

"Open Graph API" is a really confusing name for adding webpages to FB as feeds - Kevin Marks

Actually I'm thinking of Comcast making Cable available through the Network for its users. - Cliff Gerrish

And the topic of attention and identity which were of interest to a small group of us is now an issue for a very large group of users. - Aron Michalski

Haven't checked the roadmap but I wonder if there will be more possibilities for API use with pages and not just the main FB friend stream. - beersage

Seems like financial institutions have a better identity play, but they're hopeless with this kind of thing. Credit Cards have a jump on it. Telecoms could also have an opening. - Cliff Gerrish

Does the open graph address pages or items in a stream? - Cliff Gerrish

Anyone ask about the problem of Facebook owning our social graph? - Kurt Jarchow

so FB's "Open Graph API" is the opposite of the Social Graph API that reveals existing connections. - Kevin Marks

This aspect is interesting, in that presence on the internet for a long time could be anonymous and now the value will be from having a unified ID. - Aron Michalski

So it Bret saying it's just marketing spin at this point? ;-) - Ken Sheppardson

You'll see that the owners of the pipe, the bankers and the retailers all want to know who we are so they can get paid. - Aron Michalski

can we identify the source of the metadata item and allow for filtering of what's a valid linkage? - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Robert, are you coming out for SideWiki for Facebook profiles? - Cliff Gerrish

:-) - Robert Scoble

wonder if Bret saw the Realtime chat games orkut launched http://code.google.com/apis... - Kevin Marks

shared labels - is what i would like to see - Bastian

For 'movies' shouldn't I just be able to pipe my Netflix data over? - Cliff Gerrish

Netflix already exports Activity Streams of your movies - FB should read them - Kevin Marks

Yes, rather than building a new and separate data set. Our combining the sets. - Cliff Gerrish

Bret really shouldn't speak of FriendFeed in the past tense. - Cliff Gerrish

Cliff: FriendFeed is not getting new engineering work. - Robert Scoble

Yeah he said "was"... - Bastian

It's often more revealing to hear how people talk about things indirectly than to hear them answer direct questions. - Ken Sheppardson

better late than never...i'll have to catch the first 30 minutes on replay. - Karoli

Friendfeed's conversations aren't duplicated by any of the other players. - Cliff Gerrish

Why would FB buy FF if they weren't headed down that road? To use it or kill it? - Aron Michalski

Interesting to hear the idea of protocols driven by User Interfaes in the realtime space. - Cliff Gerrish

I totally agree with Robert. The Friendfeed search is incredibly powerful and useful. - Karoli

Permalinks for stream items is a critical feature. - Cliff Gerrish

how long has Bret been in the FB world :) - he's being asked questions about future growth and planning that he may not have even been in the meetings that cover those new items yet :) - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

FB conversations are fractured, across different pages and places. Mobile experience can be a cul de sac of death for a conversation... - Aron Michalski

my criticism of Facebook has nothing to do with the stream. it has to do with the mashup of everyone I've ever known in my entire life. - Karoli

i think it's great that i see other people's comments when i comment on an item on FB - Bastian

I'd like my stream to show me things that I initially reject, and then later come to accept. - Cliff Gerrish

Facebook represents my "real" social network only as it existed 25 years ago. - Ken Sheppardson

we need more depth as to what a "friend" is - need to factor in FOAF items - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Ken, i wish it was that way. It has pieces of every aspect and social graph I've had for my entire life. - Karoli

I'm starting to realize and appreciate Robert as an underdamped dynamic system, oscillating wildly but eventually settling/converging on a steady signal, e.g. the comments today on Wave vs the initial reaction. And I mean that as a compliment, Robert :-) - Ken Sheppardson

There is plenty of conversations I am glad to leave off of FB; 90% of the people from my past have no clue about any of what we are discussing and don't care. - Aron Michalski

Ken, yea - that's a great way to describe him. I agree that he should take it as a compliment - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

I do. - Robert Scoble

Again, it is easy to bring content into FB but why can't I subscribe to an RSS feed of a page like I can w/ a Twitter user? - beersage

my problem: 90% of the people I have contact with in real life have me friended on FB and HATE my politics, leaving me with fluffy little bullshit updates. No conversation. Just nonsense. - Karoli

The FB pipes need to be full duplex. - Cliff Gerrish

I think the part of FF we'll never see in FB is the basic lack of walls in FF and the philosophy that anything and everything can flow freely into and out of the system. - Ken Sheppardson

Ken, FF may be the outside part of FB. - Cliff Gerrish

how is the spewing of netflix queuing any different that all of those mafia wars or farm app updates I get on FB ;) - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

If that's the case, Cliff, I'd like to see them embrace that. I may have missed a bunch of signals, but I'm still working on the assumption that FF is feature frozen and will be subsumed into FB. - Ken Sheppardson

I'm glad that neither FF or FB or Twitter will be the hot new toy we all talk about this time next year! - Bastian

Bastian: Twitter is about to release more new features than it has EVER released. Are you sure we won't be talking about them in a year? - Robert Scoble

Bastian, where would be talking about whatever we'll be talking about. - Cliff Gerrish

By the way, Tina says 'hi' to the chat... - Cliff Gerrish

Robert, only if Twitter survives their own creativity and popularity - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

We should have OpenFF any day now... :-/ - Ken Sheppardson

hi back at Tina :) - Karoli

Robert is raring to have a discussion about Twitter lists. :) - beersage

bear: I'm pretty sure that in a year we'll be doing Twitter. Two years, though? Maybe not. Things don't change that fast when they have such momentum. - Robert Scoble

I'm loving this shot of the studio. Rock on. - Karoli

Robert: Twitter maybe, but i'm even more excited about new third party tools build on Tiwtter. Even so everything i was told from the people i know at Twitter, there are cool things coming. - Bastian

yea, that was a great studio shot - nice layout - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

"talking a little about"... so, it's not imminent :-) - Ken Sheppardson

Generalizing twitter to many kinds of Activity Streams is interesting, and I hope Bret picks up on that - Kevin Marks

The thing about FF & Twitter is that they make it possible to curate a stream of a niche topic and put it into context w/ other content on a website. Lost of potential. With FB, you cant use any valuable stream there outside. Still a walled garden. - beersage

yay sponsors! - Karoli

I have to say, time listening to the Gillmor Gang is always well spent! - Bastian

bye all - Karoli

good show - Jamie

Hah, Kevin got cut off. That was a short edition. - beersage

great show - I am loving the increase in quality discussion and the decrease in loud noises - thanks! - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

http://bit.ly/Spawn is Ribbit's launch next Thursday - Kevin Marks

Defrag is week after next - agenda: http://defragcon.com/2009... - Kevin Marks

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