Gillmor Gang, recording live today 1pm PST participate at http://www.building43.com/realtim...
Susan Beebe,
Naor Mark,
Kevin Costain,
Jeff (Team マクダジ ),
Robert Scoble,
John Taschek,
Tina Chase Gillmor,
clive boulton,
Steve Poppe,
Jerome Hughes,
Ankush Narula,
and
Dale Lature
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Waiting for the call!
- Robert Scoble
me too
- Kevin Marks
we're gonna start in a minute. waiting on a Scoble re-start
- Tina Chase Gillmor
please tweet the show announcement for others to join
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Getting enough tissue ready to weep with the masses over WebOS
- Jerry Schuman
while we're waiting ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Just want to say I predicted WebOS was DOA even before it went to HP
- Jerry Schuman
thought it was a 'heavy metal' effect
- Jerome Hughes
I don't think it's fair to write off WebOS yet. Most of the northern hemisphere is on vacation.
- coldbrew
I'm also chatting here: https://plus.google.com/1110910... for those who would rather do Google+. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
wow John - you're not blurry and low-res anymore!
- Ankush Narula
Scoble: You are two-timing us?
- coldbrew
WebOS jinxed, Touch it, lose $1.2Bn
- clive boulton
coldbrew: yes. :-) I'm using FriendFeed 1.0 AND 2.0.
- Robert Scoble
:)
- coldbrew
WebOS IS dead, I think. :(
- Kevin Costain
Shame about WebOS
- Moe Glitz
HP has not sold anything yet. It seems the CEO put all the options on the table. I can link to some techtarget article from today that was actually good, if you are interested.
- coldbrew
can't seem to keep Seth's feed up. Think he's having signal problems on his end
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Autonomy is HP's future
- Moe Glitz
Google adding 3rd Seattle location nr MSFT campus http://bit.ly/onPBh5
- clive boulton
HP Autonomy featuring Dr. Dre's Beatz
- Ankush Narula
Businesses need printers :)
- Kevin Costain
From some chatter on hackernews from former employees and consultants of Autonomy, it sounds like more of an enterprise sales org, rather than engineering and technology.
- coldbrew
for how long have we heard... who cares about Apple, they've only got x% of the unit shipment market share for computers?
- Jerome Hughes
Jerome: and they make almost all the profits.
- Robert Scoble
Is it a question of hardware vs. software or enterprise vs. consumer?
- coldbrew
just tuning in! hi guys!! :)
- Susan Beebe
Hello Susan
- Moe Glitz
hi everyone, late again :)
- Charlie Isaacs
hello, Beebe.
- coldbrew
Hey there Moe :)
- Susan Beebe
Maybe the should co-brand webOS with Lil Wayne?
- Ankush Narula
WebOS has nodejs support built in, shame.
- clive boulton
:-)
- coldbrew
the HP I have here has an intermittent headphone socket after a month
- Kevin Marks
hey @coldbrew :)
- Susan Beebe
Great
- Harold Carey
What?! who doesn't need page views?! :P
- Susan Beebe
scoble doesn't
- Kevin Marks
Is Robert DeNiro in the house?
- Moe Glitz
stop linking to him
- Kevin Marks
exactly :)
- Susan Beebe
WebOS can join Newton in device heaven. Name a single platform that has risen from its former ashes by a new owner after the brain trust left.
- Jerry Schuman
Oh goody, I am not the only one getting spam on Google+ ... augh
- Susan Beebe
Firefox, Jerry
- Kevin Marks
So is Steve upset that he's getting +mentioned on G+?
- Ankush Narula
script kiddies, Steve
- Jerry Schuman
everyone start posting kitty videos :) meow
- Charlie Isaacs
I think Steve is talking about random people on G+ who send you posts (not just mentions)... those posts wind up being like a DM.
- Susan Beebe
BINGO! same spam i am getting on G+
- Susan Beebe
I don't understand what random posts he's seeing - I don't see anything like that - only people in my Circles
- Ankush Narula
Firefox filled a need based on a sub par platform called IE. No such need exists in the tablet place Kevin.
- Jerry Schuman
Robert - people I do NOT follow are sending me crap that loads up my notifications!!
- Susan Beebe
I may have to do that too: Turn off email and then create a gmail filter to delete noise
- Susan Beebe
quiet chat today.... why?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Everyone's on vacation.
- coldbrew
About 10% of the shares I get this way are useful/relevant; 90% not. I have a stock message I share w/ people in the 90% column, that asks them nicely to stop. Most say "sure," and I don't hear from them again.
- Denise Howell
Oh Steve.... You are missing out. Seems like you are just not giving it a chance, especially if you aren't even posting....
- Ben Hanten
I am troubleshooting a Facebook problem :-o
- Charlie Isaacs
Maybe Google+ is getting boring!
- Moe Glitz
@Tina - great question!!
- Susan Beebe
Scoble loves noise :P
- Susan Beebe
are they trying to send you things for the show, denise?
- Kevin Marks
he loves what he finds in that noise
- Jerome Hughes
interested to hear your thoughts on the patent bubble Denise
- Kevin Marks
Robert is going to camp out again in line hahahhah :D
- Susan Beebe
agreed that the line can be fun
- Kevin A. Burton
Isn't this the 5th year? Like, in a row?
- coldbrew
Kevin - I just +mentioned you on G+ // I know you're not following me - can you see it in your stream?
- Ankush Narula
One cannot be surprised.
- coldbrew
+Kevin The 10% are, so I'm glad they can and do. The 90% are just sending random things.
- Denise Howell
no, but it is in notifications. Thanks Ankush for clearing that up
- Kevin Marks
but if you post to JUST me, what happens
- Kevin Marks
heh - no new information here (re:FriendFeed) - that's the problem - not the solution
- David Ashwood
ah, that was just me so it is in notifications only. thanks
- Kevin Marks
@Kevin - notification + email
- Susan Beebe
Does G+ Sparks have any filters ie chronological? I havent found any.
- Hilary Talbot
If there's beer involved I'll tailgate for anything...
- coldbrew
Right... I posted just to you
- Ankush Narula
Sparks seem very immature and limited right now... odd
- Susan Beebe
@Coldbrew - tailgate - nice analogy!
- Susan Beebe
thats my impression, too, susan.
- Hilary Talbot
oh somehow my comments were not updating....now I see an active chat
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Shame no Turntable.FM in the UK yet
- Moe Glitz
Or even Pandora
- Moe Glitz
I thought the Web was open?
- Moe Glitz
the web is open - content is closed
- Ankush Narula
Beebe, thanks. I spend 5 days a year waiting for the Telluride Bluegrass Festival to start, every year :-)
- coldbrew
The dubstep rooms are always jam packed
- Jerry Schuman
Content use to be king!
- Moe Glitz
there's a poetry room
- Kevin Marks
Aside from the handpicked, human-passion-driven curation, there are no commercials (right?). But that can't last.
- Denise Howell
I was thinking about a "Best of Gillmor Gang Outakes" room
- Jerry Schuman
haha
- Susan Beebe
Some fellow Coloradan's also just won the National Poetry Slam: http://www.cpr.org/article...
- coldbrew
And not in Canada either.
- Bruce Segal
well, if Seth can sell enough music through referrals, maybe it can last
- Kevin Marks
http://console.fm was the one...
- Kevin Marks
Marks: I think appeasing label execs with data will be more difficult, no?
- coldbrew
when are these services going to work without Flash player? (ed)
- Ankush Narula
eh? Ankush? You mean 'without flash' ?
- Kevin Marks
rule of thumb in US retail, room for three big players in each product category. “Good, better, and best”
- clive boulton
yes
- Ankush Narula
Thanks Kevin, I forgot about that site
- Bruce Segal
haha.... it started with the advent of the BBS
- Jerry Schuman
I'm not exactly clear on how turntable is maneuvering around IP law, and such. Anyone care to explain?
- coldbrew
Ham Radio, before BBS :)
- Charlie Isaacs
they're using the DMCA exemption that Pandora uses, which is very fiddly
- Kevin Marks
smoke signals before ham radio
- Ankush Narula
Ok. So, safe harbor?
- coldbrew
I prefer pidgeons and usenet, personally.
- coldbrew
with tt, you're sharing another activity while conversing about it
- Jerome Hughes
the listener can't know what is coming up, or hear more than 3 songs by the same artist per hour on a channel, plus reporting rules etc. If those are all satisfied, there is a statutory rate of something like a tenth of a cent per song per listener. Right Denise?
- Kevin Marks
“Good, better, and best” - WinPad, DroidPad, iPad. (FB, Twitter, G+)
- clive boulton
They are also a MediaNet client.
- Jerry Schuman
For example, Adam Bosworth is on G Plus: https://plus.google.com/1148568...
- Alex de Soto
Good info. Thanks, folks.
- coldbrew
Scoble - we're not your friends on G+ ?! hey now... ... tisk tisk! :P
- Susan Beebe
I like Scoble's wife's method :)
- coldbrew
I wish my wife would do that before she bought something, wait for me to check it out for a year :)
- Charlie Isaacs
Would everyone be excited if Microsoft came up with the + service first. Microsoft+
- Moe Glitz
im not super interested in Plus yet
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Glitz: If I got to buy it and install it on my machine? Yes.
- coldbrew
Not G+ adding Scobleizer or Zuck (don't want my stream swamped)
- clive boulton
Check out this chart from NYT... feel bad for any tablet not IOS https://images1-focus-opensoci...
- Jerry Schuman
is youtube in hangouts somewhat like the group experience in tt though for a smaller group?
- Jerome Hughes
Steve: invite @EdChi (Norvig's G+ HCI) to guest on GG
- clive boulton
oops.. bad URL
- Jerry Schuman
it's a hang-in
- Jerome Hughes
Never say never Steve! :)
- Susan Beebe
Biggest problem with Google+ - API isn't generally available - as such all innovation happens in the Google Walled Garden.
- David Ashwood
FB Messages unifies e-mail, IM, SMS, and proprietary FB messaging - pretty smart. Wait until they integrate that with Skype
- Ankush Narula
twitter still dosent know how to make money
- Abhijeet Desai
Twitter is gaining 20 million spam accounts per month
- Ankush Narula
making money is overvalued ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
google dosent need to make money with plus cos plus makes search better & search makes a lot of money
- Abhijeet Desai
I created 5 Twitter handles in the last 24 hours, mainly for testing
- Charlie Isaacs
may be in nokia dominated countries like india. windows phone 7 can make some impact if any
- Abhijeet Desai
John has a cute little silver box hanging over his head. like a video game. What happens when you smash it ?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
There will be only iOS, Android & RIM phones in the future
- Moe Glitz
"the cream, the cream, it's on the shelf"
- Jerome Hughes
Thanks to BBM, iMessage, Disco/Huddle, FB Messages - the fragmentation will keep SMS winning - and AT&T will be happy to charge you up the butt for it
- Ankush Narula
Teens will always keep RIM kicking
- Moe Glitz
More than teens - I see Blackberries everywhere in NYC
- Ankush Narula
Exactly! Turntable knows an API helps make the community
- David Ashwood
a turntable listen+chat app on phones would be great
- Kevin Marks
But the team thinks RIM is dead
- Moe Glitz
Moe: I disagree. Most teens I know like iPhone or iPod touch better.
- Robert Scoble
depends on which dead you mean
- Jerome Hughes
and kodak?
- Jerome Hughes
Correct Robert. But teens that can't afford those two, always use RIM
- Moe Glitz
RIM is a popular 2nd phone
- Moe Glitz
"Good, better, best” {Android, WP, iOS} Low cost, best tools, premium.
- clive boulton
Robert: I agree with Moe - teens have no trouble carrying a Blackberry and iPod Touch
- Ankush Narula
Moto will be NFC for consumers & merchants & to push the Android hardware to the next gen
- David Ashwood
Has the BBM iPhone App that was going to be launched, been killed now?
- Moe Glitz
Ashwood: Are you suggesting Motorola Solutions (aka Symbol/ not Mobility) is going to help bring a POS to market with NFC capability?
- coldbrew
Patents???
- Ankush Narula
Interesting breaking: Apple seeking injunction against most Samsung Android phones and tablets zd.net/qrOrti
- Charlie Isaacs
Yep
- David Ashwood
Nice. Sounds interesting to me.
- coldbrew
Ankush: and Photobucket's CEO says Android is growing like a week. iOS is growing healthily. RIM? Headed down in usage. I don't see any way it gets out of this death spiral.
- Robert Scoble
It's what will bring Google wallet to the masses. NFC is a great idea - but it takes an age for the hardware to catch up. Moto shortcuts that problem
- David Ashwood
Maybe we will see a Vivotech acquisition.
- coldbrew
Exactly - carriers are one of the prime lags ;)
- David Ashwood
Robert: pretend most people don't run apps on their Blackberries - they use e-mail, SMS, BBM, web and maybe a few choice apps
- Ankush Narula
Carriers will be the backbone of wifi - virtual wifi providers like Fon will spring up - but carriers are still trying to understand what that means. Remember they don't want to be just a pipe
- David Ashwood
50% globally is Android at the mo
- David Ashwood
will they get the profit?
- Jerome Hughes
Turntable FM. (No Static At All)
- Moe Glitz
They should rename Netflix to MadMenTV just for Steve ;-)
- Ankush Narula
What's the content lockin on iCloud?
- David Ashwood
the iCloud storage goes away if you stop paying
- Kevin Marks
iCloud replaces Dropbox - where's the multi-user collaborative stuff - and the server-side apps?
- Ankush Narula
Aye Kevin - but from an App provider/integration perspective - could you put the same content on iCloud and iGoogle?
- David Ashwood
a great thing that didn't survive... Sunday Night... http://www.metafilter.com/64744...
- Jerome Hughes
I've been watching season one of MadMen
- Kevin Marks
and misunderstood at 1st as was the iPod
- Jerome Hughes
Looks like Apple TV ain't a hobby anymore!
- Moe Glitz
"I much prefer your earlier work"
- Jerome Hughes
Ping is Pong!
- Moe Glitz
these aren't failures, they are steps forward to the ultimate goal(s)
- Charlie Isaacs
GoogleTV aint slacken, something brewing for October
- clive boulton
The cable companies have quite a bit of say on the software for set-tops.
- coldbrew
Windows is closed!
- Moe Glitz
and to get the gamerz to differentiate
- Jerome Hughes
Has anyone heard anything about Boxee in a while?
- coldbrew
Get Laid or Get Paid. Sweet!
- clive boulton
Get Sucked or Get Fudged!
- Moe Glitz
Moe1
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Whose making the Blackberry Enterprise Server replacement?
- coldbrew
Google TV sucks
- Moe Glitz
that's Exchange currently, no?
- Jerome Hughes
Where is Google Music?
- Moe Glitz
It integrates with exchange, but there's also a separate PKI implementation.
- coldbrew
Airplay will end up more like http://oblong.com
- Kevin Marks
Google Music, lost at sea.
- clive boulton
Reeling In The Years
- Moe Glitz
and his new beard
- Kevin Marks
Captain Google
- Moe Glitz
Thanks, folks.
- coldbrew
Wishing I could go to DreamForce (had a ticket) just toooo dang busy! :) have fun!!
- Susan Beebe
thanks guys:
- Susan Beebe
thanks
- Charlie Isaacs
will attend DreamForce live stream.
- clive boulton