GIllmor Gang, recording live today 1pm PT

I think that I will need to stay very quiet on this one, I expect plenty of "Apple Love" from Robert and others with maybe a little disappointment. I won't "troll" the moment as much as it will kill me to stay quiet. ;-) - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

Call back. :-) I missed the call. - Robert Scoble

ok - Tina Chase Gillmor

Mac crashed, rebooting - Kevin Marks

Mark: You might be shocked at what I'm about to say. - Robert Scoble

LOL, I think you'll be fair. Sorry you couldn't grab one last night. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

On the plus side, Friendfeed is up as opposed to a long outage earlier this week. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

at least that's going right - Tina Chase Gillmor

The iphone 5 show ;) - Nir Ben Yona

Gillmor Gang is about to start. What are we going to discuss? http://ff.im/14vkWK Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. Apple. And a few other things. :-) - Robert Scoble

That is a long reboot and now spinning on login. Not sure what's up with the mac - Kevin Marks

We are waiting for Kevin Marks' reboot to finish. :-) - Robert Scoble

we'll start and bring you in. try closing down and restarting - Steve Gillmor

I pre-ordered my Gillmor Gang, what's the delay? :) - Charlie Isaacs

Maybe Apple doesn't want him on the show. ;-) - Robert Scoble

kevin? - Steve Gillmor

hang in there folks... we're about to begin - Tina Chase Gillmor

If Kevin can't join I can argue with myself about how bad or good the iPhone is. :-) - Robert Scoble

won't you do that anyway? - Charlie Isaacs

I can't hear anything... - John Taschek

Charlie, yes. We're just about to start. - Robert Scoble

silent brilliance - Jerome Hughes

The new ipod Touch is definitely a winner. Only 6.1mm paper thin. - Nir Ben Yona

new touch is 299 - Jerome Hughes

Fortress of lassitude - Kevin Marks

BAM! Taschek from downtown! - Chien-Yu Lin

4th gen now 199, correct? - Jerome Hughes

contexual stuff - Da

The iPod Touch was Apple's best Upgrade the other day - Moe Glitz

They always sell out ... just marketing. - Johannes Siemers

No Apple TV upgrade, right? - Tina Chase Gillmor

if more iOS apps, why more people get Androids? - Da

iPhone 5 vs. iPhone 4s http://bit.ly/Q9qvfH [infographic] - Nir Ben Yona

But Apple still need to innovate the Devices for their Eco-system - Moe Glitz

bigger, faster, longer, louder... - Tina Chase Gillmor

It's Tim Cook's way. His expertise is building incrementally better, cheaper, smoother not the Jobs way of pixie dust and marketing. - Brian Sullivan

iPhonefortress, iPhone5tress, what's the difference whether there's ineptitude or not - Charlie Isaacs

My slogan for Android phones Tina.... ;-) - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

wow, that last post had time delay built in, must be a network issue :-o - Charlie Isaacs

My non geek friends have lot of Androids - Kevin Marks

Well, not the longer part... - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

alt-punditry - Jerome Hughes

It sold out because it's a religion. - Murray Macdonald

It DOES do more. Photo Sharing, NFC, WiFi Direct... - Murray Macdonald

Couple of years later -- Introducing the iphone 101 http://bit.ly/Q9qPLj - Nir Ben Yona

Apple's Keynotes are so boring nowadays. There is no Steve Jobs to seduce the crowd and highlight every feature with, 'Isn't that awesome' - Moe Glitz

A VZW Note 2 would do simultaneous call and data on LTE - Da

What?Maryam's friends don't know the Gillmor gang?!!? Im outraged. Going to have to change that. - Tina Chase Gillmor

Sadly, I will likely buy a Touch (and iPad 7) for development too, though I hate supporting Apple. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

Apple's walled garden stops developers from doing many things, like creating keyboards, accessing hardware, etc... Many of my mobile developer friends are careful to develop for apple first because they know the will get blacklisted in the app store if they launch android first. - Murray Macdonald

Moe, Tim should just press an "Isn't that awesome" button on his slide changer - Charlie Isaacs

October - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

they also said there would be no iPods in this announce - Jerome Hughes

The 7" form factor is GREAT. I love the Nexus 7 kicks ass. - Murray Macdonald

Zuckerberg "came out" -- I missed that. - Brian Sullivan

I can’t afford too many devices, so I still have my XP desktop. My splurge is my VZW Nexus - Da

Someone tell Scoble that there was a satellite truck dealership convention in San Francisco the day of the Apple launch - Charlie Isaacs

Charlie, Tim is Kenny Rodgers to Steve's Mick Jagger - Moe Glitz

USB mini makes WAY MORE sense. USB is waterproof too. Adapters are going to suck - Murray Macdonald

Why are apple guys so willing to replace their gear? - Murray Macdonald

i'm glad i'm not overpaying for my devices, since i don't own anything apple - Da

Apple have to realise that if the Hardware upgrades are minor, than the Software upgrades must be major - Moe Glitz

Forget the vendors... What about the consumers? - Murray Macdonald

Cars get rusty and need expensive service. - Murray Macdonald

Why is the microUSB to Lightning adapter only going to be sold in the EU? Besides the law.... - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

Google Glasses Google Glasses - Alex de Soto

It's the Louis Vuitton of phones. - Murray Macdonald

Segway Segway - Ken Sheppardson

my pretty - Jerome Hughes

Google self-driving Segway. So you can't crash it while you wear your Google Glasses. - Alex de Soto

Y'all saw the Jimmy Kimmel bit, right? - Ken Sheppardson

nope, looking - Jerome Hughes

...giving folks the iPhone 4s, asking them what they thought about the new iPhone 5. - Ken Sheppardson

http://www.youtube.com/watch... - Ken Sheppardson

that's a funny stunt - Jerome Hughes

experience matters? - Jerome Hughes

and gMaps is still available in Chrome for what it does better - Jerome Hughes

Seems to me the point of the Kimmel bit is unless things are side-by-side, Normal People don't care about the specs. They might recognized the difference between a Palm Pre or Motorola StarTac and an iPhone and obviously want an iPhone... but 4 vs 4s vs 5? It's going to be a price thing. - Ken Sheppardson

Serious mobile developers that develop for both platforms often prefer Android because it is easier to develop for, as it has fewer restrictions. It's annoying when apple reject your app because they don't like the APIs you are using or object to your paradigm. - Murray Macdonald

Too bad that you cannot upload a video with the new Youtube app. - Nir Ben Yona

Have they made the little spinning "Loading" dial any faster? Seems to me that's a big area for potential improvement... - Ken Sheppardson

The normal people ARE the ones on Kimmel. They know enough about these devices that is marketed to them and are sold without knowing much more. Nor should everyone know everything about every phone BTW. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

What would happen if Google made Youtube accessible to Android only? Like apple with Flash. How would the market respond? - Murray Macdonald

Would be nice to hear Bret's take on the whole HTML5 conversation. - Ken Sheppardson

Anyone know if Facebook built their own markup language/renderer as a replacement for HTML5 on the phone? - Kurtiss Hare

Good JS applications use web-workers and load in the background. - Murray Macdonald

Not all HTML5 apps are as lame as the old facebook app. That app had serious design problems. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. - Murray Macdonald

I think John t. is boozing it up today ;-) - Tina Chase Gillmor

No it is not... - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

How is it better? - Murray Macdonald

Android doesn't "automatically" update all the time (in fact most of the time) even if the app is set to. - Brian Sullivan

Yeah, I've never figured out what "Automatic" really means (BTW, haven't touched my AT&T iPhone 4 since I replaced my Sprint Palm Pre with an Epic 4g Touch.) - Ken Sheppardson

Correct Robert outside of custom ROMS. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

Google notifications are fine. What you do with them depends on your coding. - Murray Macdonald

You mean the Jelly Bean platform. - Murray Macdonald

Apple's closed approach is their biggest problem. - Murray Macdonald

Platform contours coding. Google's messaging is open-ended and, as such, has a minimum inconsistency that will always leave room for complaints from Apple users :) - Kurtiss Hare

You can do whatever you want in the background on Apple IF THEY APPROVE IT. - Murray Macdonald

cathedral needs its first billing, Mr. Taschek - Jerome Hughes

NOKIA! - Ken Sheppardson

Firefox OS (/prays) - Michael Mahemoff

lol - Kurtiss Hare

Poor Palm. - Ken Sheppardson

BB10 is the favourite of many developers due to its best of breed debugging tools. - Murray Macdonald

Silly HP - Michael Mahemoff

you won't get fired for buying… (x) - Jerome Hughes

Windows Mobile? What idiot buys a windows mobile phone?! - Jared Naude

Meanwhile Meg Whitman talking today about HP someday maybe having a smartphone. Sigh. - Ken Sheppardson

Leader vs. The Peleton - Chien-Yu Lin

Ozzie is long gone isn't he? - Brian Sullivan

MSFT -> new XMLHTTPRequest() - Kurtiss Hare

"Native HTML5" is only valid if it's a first-class citizen, not playing second-fiddle to native tech and being hated on by users for lacking standard look-and-feel - Michael Mahemoff

HP will not get into this market in any significant way. too late - Tina Chase Gillmor

HP used to be one of the leaders in WinCE, now it's dead in the mobile water - Michael Mahemoff

My next PC will still most likely gonna be a Windows, my next phone will still most likely be an Android. They work great together. - Da

HTML5 is a valid option if you know how to design. Native development is often too slow and expensive. Technologies like PhoneGap allow HTML5 apps to deploy cross-platform. Native only comes first if the developer has unlimited money, or wants to service a limited audience. - Murray Macdonald

Except they dropped audio on the Paperwhite - Michael Mahemoff

+Murray: what I'm hearing from developers HTML5 is NOT appropriate for best of breed consumer apps. For the other 90%? Yes. - Robert Scoble

Murray, best pure-HTML5 native app? It's okay for basic forms and content apps, to get them up and running quickly, but you miss a ton of things. - Michael Mahemoff

ya but books on kindle can be viewed anywhere - ibooks are stuck on my iphone - mal

Robert: That's kinda right... It depends on what your best-of-breed consumer app does. - Murray Macdonald

Kindle in books, Netflix in video, iTunes is a virus - Da

How 'bout those Yankees - Michael Mahemoff

2016: Apple's America - Kurtiss Hare

HTML5/PhoneGap get you something cross-platform quick. It does buy you quite a bit of time until you can write native apps for each platform. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

Apple is worried about Spotify - Da

Amazon is also available on some Blu-ray players. - Alex de Soto

Robert: PhoneGap plugins allow HTML5 apps to access native code. Most developers don't know how to do this or how to effectively develop cross platform. - Murray Macdonald

fuss with this! - Jerome Hughes

Been listening ony phone. Ordered online at 12;07 from Apple store. - Francine Hardaway

Kindle products would be a great option for schools strapped for cash and in need of textbooks and textbook revisions. ROI in less than one year. If they paired up with Scholastic, great potential for bonding / revenue. - Chien-Yu Lin

4k display wall + tablet - Kurtiss Hare

You're absolutely right Murray but that point it is no longer pure HTML5. Hybrid design works very well for most if they know how to utilize it. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

Wanted it because of the ecosystem and iTunes, which has better TV than Google store . - Francine Hardaway

Actually some people want a stand a lone system for their living room - Jared Naude

Kinect control for TV is awesome - Da

Couldn't find a hack for my parent's Roku2 to enable AirPlay. - Kurtiss Hare

supported but no motivation to optimize, just to comply - Jerome Hughes

Agreed Mark: HTML5/Hybrid is often the way to go. To discount it because it's not 100% HTML5 is a mistake. - Murray Macdonald

Agreed - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

Google's eco-system is great. My devices are all connected. - Murray Macdonald

My Roku, Boxee Box, Logitech ReVue google TV, Panasonic BluRay DVD player with apps... all sitting in a corner now: everything is coming through the Xbox (Netflix + Vudu) - Ken Sheppardson

no one i know has heard of airplay, but everyone has an xbox - Da

It's the cost of connecting the nodes of the ecosystem together, not the ability - Kurtiss Hare

iPhone needs NFC, Wifi Direct, and a replaceable battery. - Murray Macdonald

sure, and a storage slot - Jerome Hughes

Amazon doesn't have breaking bad - Kevin Marks

Wifi Direct will enable all kinds of cool new services. - Murray Macdonald

That's so true (re: ecosystem). I really want to get the Lumia 920, but the ecosystem just doesn't feel mature enough to have one. - Nir Ben Yona

NFC -> Contextul, no Robert? - Kurtiss Hare

Read somewhere that you need to use Kevlar or plastic for the phone surface to pass NFC signal. iPhone's glass and metal would block it. Is that true? - Alex de Soto

"windows" take care of that, Alex - Jerome Hughes

That would take adoption, tho - Kurtiss Hare

NFC is needed. For example when you want to privately transact with a photo kiosk, NFC allows you to bump to connect to your kiosk, not the one next to it. - Murray Macdonald

When my iphone is "on" my couch, it turns into a remote automatically - Kurtiss Hare

Use cases for NFC - http://www.nfc-forum.org/resourc... - John Taschek

Navigating to an app is becoming too much work for me, I'm placing some hope in NFC... - Kurtiss Hare

That's annoying for the user. - Murray Macdonald

NFC: Trade shows. Take a picture, Download product, services, contact information. Arrange for appointment. - Chien-Yu Lin

Wi-Fi Direct needs to be part of this conversation - Murray Macdonald

NFC is short (private) range, Wifi Direct is long range - Murray Macdonald

the local version of realtime? - Jerome Hughes

I hear what you're saying Robert... Perhaps where you don't have the local compute power or connectivity to do something Siri-like or off photos? A really dumb example is timing at the end of a marathon. NFC is recording times as runners cross the start/finish.... *shrug* - Ken Sheppardson

Chien: that's not a killer feature, though. No pain. - Robert Scoble

Very large volumes of devices/people... - Ken Sheppardson

editing - Jerome Hughes

Steve is right. Apple never shipped a machine with blu-ray. - Alex de Soto

I want localized GPS. Walk into a store and get some direction when I need to find something. Where is that? - Tina Chase Gillmor

How does iPhone 5 prepare the way any more than the 4? - Kurtiss Hare

NFC is extremely short range which is sometime desirable. Wifi direct is better for P2P apps. - Murray Macdonald

Apple is waiting for mobile payments to be big enough and get enough players on it. That will be the game changer, not NFC or WiFI. Implementation is secondary. - Abhishek Tiwari

You can do mobile payments today in Apple store with your iPhone/iTunes today without NFC for lower priced products - Abhishek Tiwari

One benefit of NFC is that if you DON'T want to be tracked, it's up to you to mask/turn off the device. Easier than wearing a hood/mask. - Ken Sheppardson

Apple doesn't want it because they can't control it. Same goes for wifi direct. - Murray Macdonald

the new pay phone - Jerome Hughes

The wireless chargers of today are garbage. WiTricity's promise of true wireless power needs to arrive. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

@Scoble: Its not a common usage, but that's half the headache of a trade show. I've walked away with bags of samples and literature when we've tried to identify vendors and capabilities. Half the time, we forget what each company makes / does - and the names and faces with the companies. - Chien-Yu Lin

sorry we missed Disrupt - Tina Chase Gillmor

Loved Lit Motors. - Nir Ben Yona

Hi, just rejoined. NFC should be used to cheaply identify objects and once your smartphone discovers it, you get a custom menu for the object. It takes "Internet of Things" to a new level.. If everything is tagged, your smartphone can get you instant help buying things that are tagged, fixing things that are tagged, serving up FAQs, etc. Or "connect me to my social network friends that know about this object." As storage improves, NFC will eventually dynamically populate menus and actual apps in a smartphone. - Charlie Isaacs

http://www.kickstarter.com/project... - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

The Hex3 http://hex3.co - Nir Ben Yona

The stylus pressure thing is the JAJA. - Nir Ben Yona

The Zuckerberg interview was ace. Arrington kicked ass and got some good home truths about Facebook - Moe Glitz

Charlie, that's right. Though I'm more interested in instant administration, management, configuration than in instant buying. - Kurtiss Hare

Charlie, how important will filters be in such a futureworld? - Jerome Hughes

NFC could allow you to "physically" ship an app. Better than QR codes, anyhow. - Kurtiss Hare

Bluetooth chips are under $2. iPhone 4+ supports Bluetooth Low Energy. - Murray Macdonald

They need to have an iPhone vs Android team mode for the Laser Tag App. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

Marissa is not impressed: http://news.yahoo.com/photos... - Kevin Marks

How about mobile apps that send you a coupon when you are nearing a competitors location. Is that creepy enough? - Murray Macdonald

Contextual stuff could use humor for sure! Some GPS software have tried but they're not very funny. - Alex de Soto

one can hope that his leading example will be mimicked by others - Jerome Hughes

Kurtiss, sorry just got on another call... :-o yes, I agree, it is the entire customer lifecycle. ANd yes, Jerome, there will be filters for everything. You will "check into" the NFC'd (or other tagging methods) objects and express interest in the object. - Charlie Isaacs

that does sound cool - Tina Chase Gillmor

With Wi-Fi direct, many users could turn off their GPS to save battery and still have a valid GPS coordinate. - Murray Macdonald

I just got 2 androids to beam a contact between them using nfc on the 5th attempt o_O - Kevin Marks

http://storify.com/kevinma... - Kevin Marks

should be developed for Hangout too - Da

haha I hear you Kevin, the technology is not there yet - Charlie Isaacs

Scoble speaking of contextual...did you also see Chronos? It was at Disrupt and just was released. It's an app that takes Placeme to the next level in some ways. You can get it here: http://www.getchronos.com/ - Mark Krynsky

Benioff - Kevin Marks

er, Benioff: http://storify.com/kevinma... - Kevin Marks

WiFi Direct enables so many things you can't do today. - Murray Macdonald

Who is the Enterprise Burning Man? Microsoft - Moe Glitz

DreamForce - Tina Chase Gillmor

Sadly it still has a walled garden... - Murray Macdonald

Wifi Direct solves all those bump problems. - Murray Macdonald

I wouldn't bump with Scoble either :-p - Charlie Isaacs

Wifi direct is the P2P answer. - Murray Macdonald

Robert bumps the cam. - Alex de Soto

Charlie: heh! - Robert Scoble

http://www.metrolyrics.com/not-dea... - Jerome Hughes

HTML5 wasn't the FB apps problem. The app's design and performance were the problem. - Murray Macdonald

TV is only for live sports... - Murray Macdonald

Murray - Re the FB apps: Bingo. - Gordon Van Huizen

Battery died on laptop. Bye all - Kevin Marks

Nothing today about GoDaddy's outage either, slightly surprised... - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

Murray: the design of the native one isn't any different. - Robert Scoble

Under the hood it is... - Murray Macdonald

do the hustle - Jerome Hughes

Thanks again guys. - Murray Macdonald

Murray: the Facebook team claims they looked into HTML5 deeply and couldn't make it performant enough. So they went native. - Robert Scoble

I disconnected my Wii because Wii Fit told me I was an overly obese 70 year old - Charlie Isaacs

Thanks for joining us! - Robert Scoble

Another great show, Gang. Always learning something new. - Chien-Yu Lin

Thanks guys! - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

Thanks guys! - Nir Ben Yona

thanks everybody! - Jerome Hughes

There's no reason a well-architected HTML5/hybrid app should perform as poorly as the previous FB app did. - Gordon Van Huizen

Robert: Across the plethora of old HTML5 devices in the market at the time, they were probably right. On modern phones, that isn't as true. - Murray Macdonald

thanks to everyone... nice show folks. Thanks for showing up - Tina Chase Gillmor

Sorry I missed part of that, but what I heard was great! will catch the recording later - Charlie Isaacs

Hi, Steve. I usted to follow Gillmor Gang on iTunes podcast, but now it seems to be missing since "Remote wipe". Is that so or am I just not looking for it properly? Thanks. - José Moreno

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