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Zu from AOD,
Chris Messina,
bear (aka Mike Taylor),
Robert Scoble,
Cliff Gerrish,
Karoli,
Christophe Ducamp,
and
Chris Jackson
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who are the guest's today?
- Chris Jackson
Me and Chris Messina and others
- Brett Slatkin
Chris Messina talking OpenId??
- Chris Jackson
Has Steve ordered his iPad yet?
- Karoli
I;ve ordered 2
- Steve Gillmor
We will be up shortly.
- Robert Scoble
Gillmor Gang live recording session now w/ Scoble, Marks, Slatkin and Messina at http://building43.com/realtime
- Cliff Gerrish
Fillmore? West or East?
- Cliff Gerrish
the latest Foursquare update (3-11) is much better than the prev. Im liking foursquare more and more
- Chris Jackson
not that hard. just put a "hide" link on the thing.
- Karoli
Only bump stuff when somebody I follow comments.
- Ken Sheppardson
Then you need to let me pull in somebody elses app/view into Gmail.
- Ken Sheppardson
Buzz just doesn't scale if people actually use it.
- Ken Sheppardson
Z listers?
- Cliff Gerrish
Wait.... if somebody I follow comments to someone I *don't*, I don't see the item in my stream. Buzz doesn't have friend-of-a-friend... or am I missing something?
- Ken Sheppardson
Let us all shout from the mountains: Robert Scoble is insane.
- Karoli
Giving power users control over their experience isn't incompatible with making the system more usable to non-power users. It's a strawman.
- Ken Sheppardson
Kevin, Cliqset does that. All of that. Cliqset stream filtering gives you much more flexibility than FriendFeed or Buzz.
- Darren
Yes, exactly Darren, cliqset does this nicely.
- Kevin Marks
Ostatus.
- exador23
We need *many* different systems, each optimized for one or another kind of interaction, yet all working together...
- Bob Wyman
shouting in foursquare is kinda cool
- Chris Jackson
Hey, Kevin: Is anybody from Twitter active in the Activitystreams process?
- Ken Sheppardson
No, Ken, twitter us sadly missing from activity streams discussion
- Kevin Marks
All services should be sharing the same information but competing based on what they do with the data.
- Bob Wyman
Absolutely. It levels the playing field and becomes less about having critical mass.
- Darren
Using one versus the other will not mean sacrificing connectivity or conversation with those on other systems.
- Darren
Sharing the data means that new and innovative services can launch with a small user base and then grow. Today, a new service is forced to isolate its users from the rest of the conversation.
- Bob Wyman
with items like Activity Streams and Salmon Protocol - then sites can compete on how they expose/manage the UI/X experience. This allows users to pick the site based on how it allows them to interact with the stream.
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Use the Source!
- Bob Wyman
Changing the Topic: Are those iPhone or Nexus One headphones on Chris and Brett?
- Alex de Soto
In nature when a channel is that narrow it gets routed around - same will happen with Twitter soon
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Thanks Kevin. Yes, as Chris Messina says, we "up convert" to Activity Streams. :)
- Darren
We should all read legacy formats like RSS, but we should only write Atom...
- Bob Wyman
Virtually nobody uses rssCloud. Vastly more people use PSHB. Should we implement *all* protocols no matter how good they are or how few people use them?
- Bob Wyman
Postels law applied to feeds, Bob?
- Kevin Marks
Absolutely, Postel was a smart guy! Read RSS, Write Atom.
- Bob Wyman
Why don't we just move PSHB spec into an IETF working group and then do all the normal patent disclosures?
- Bob Wyman
Leo Laporte makes a cameo on the Gillmor Gang.
- Cliff Gerrish
Leo :-)
- Jamie
Great, first time on Friendfeed in a long time. Slow down is because of changing servers?
- Tom Landini
Would Facebook want everyone to use their API? If they really wanted everyone using the same API, wouldn't Facebook be using open standards or putting their API through open review?
- Bob Wyman
It's like Brett just mentioned - is Facebook ready internally to allow their use of a protocol to be dictated by an outside agency.
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Standards are like sausage... They taste good, but don't ask too many questions about how they are made.
- Bob Wyman
Great question, Steve.
- r Macdonald
Track! If we standardize on *existing* API's, we'll never be able to implement TRACK!
- Bob Wyman
Track MUST come back one day...
- Bob Wyman
Bob, yes. it must.
- Karoli
Standards are actually a conservative element in the overall progress of the stream.
- Cliff Gerrish
status net + identispy when there's one statusnet stream, and one buzz stream and one facebook stream, etc that something like identispy can access brings track back.
- exador23
Cliff, standards are "conservative" once adopted. But, often, the process of defining the standard is progressive since folk seek to anticipate and identify future needs. The nature of the standard depends on where you are in its life cycle.
- Bob Wyman
Google shouldn't be "releasing APIs" -- Google should be *using* openly defined APIs defined by the community. There should be NO "Buzz API" -- there should only be "APIs that Buzz uses."
- Bob Wyman
ostatus piggybacks on Atom, Activity Streams, PubSubHubbub and such. Right now, I can subscribe from identi.ca, or any website running status.net to any Buzz profile, thanks to the magic of Atom, PubSubHubbub, Activity Streams and whathaveyou. Interoperability. It's getting there. Interestingly enough, I can't subscribe to cliqset users. Must be something about their Atom implementation.
- Ed F
Bob Wyman makes an excellent point
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
But, we haven't started defining the "track" extensions to these protocols.... That will come soon!
- Bob Wyman
or the geo query extension, Bob
- Robert Scoble
Errr.. The "geo guery" thing might be hard to do in a "standard" since we've still got a good bit of uncertainty in terms of what people need. But, yes, we've got to work on it.
- Bob Wyman
simplegeoinc's http://vicarious.ly example is a good one, bob. documenting the buzz geo api the mobile client uses would be good too
- Robert Scoble
Kevin, are you playing the role of Scoble?
- Cliff Gerrish
Note: There's geo stuff in HTML5 as well. Much to be considered here.
- Bob Wyman
I have scoble's gadgets bag here....
- Robert Scoble
Please compete with Buzz! Please!
- Bob Wyman
Great show Steve - thanks!
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Thanks for another good show
- r Macdonald
Great show,thanks Steve
- Alex
thanks all!
- Brett Slatkin
If we had to wait for open community standards based APIs before doing anything, nothing would ever get done. Software is released in months, standards are released in years, and standards not based on field experience are useless anyway. Push forward now. Organize and consolidate later.
- Todd Hoff
standards are not released in years: http://ostatus.org/sites...
- exador23