GIllmor Gang, recording live today 1pm PT participate at http://www.building43.com/realtim...
Laura Norvig,
Nir Ben Yona,
Alex de Soto,
Robert Scoble,
multicaresatpathy,
Mr Chet J Wall,
stuffaroundworld,
Jerome Hughes,
Ludwig Ederle,
and
clive boulton
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Waiting for the famous call! I bet we talk about video apps like Twitter's Vine and Facebook's Poke and Snapchat. Or maybe something more important. Heh.
- Robert Scoble
Apple Store at 5th Ave open 24/7, 365 -- what a surprise! http://www.apple.com/retail...
- clive boulton
How about why apple's stock price dove when they had a record year? Comscore reporting facebook is the most used app; or how the super bowl half time is now social?
- Matthew Voshell
Robert, can you tell me how the Facebook search works if you don't like stuff but put it on lists instead? Didn't have a chance to try the search out yet...
- Ludwig Ederle
Ludwig: the new search doesn't work with lists.
- Robert Scoble
Aloha!
- Nir Ben Yona
Not sure how long I will be with you live today, but I'm at least here now:-)
- Francine Hardaway
Yo? Is that anything for a 48 yr old man to say?
- Francine Hardaway
And Yandex. Facebook blocked their Wonder App.
- Nir Ben Yona
Francine, saw a guy my age address a guy in his late '60s as "dude" this week in a business setting, and there wasn't even a visible flinch - remember when that would have been fighting words
- Jerome Hughes
Wasn't there some sort of privacy settings issue on Vine?
- Alex de Soto
Ah, ceremony is gone. We're all homeboyz now, Jerry
- Francine Hardaway
ah, here we are
- Tina Chase Gillmor
And homegurls!
- clive boulton
am I live?
- Rocky Barbanica
Now is the time on Sprockets when we procrastinate.
- Laura Norvig
hmmm... guess not.
- Rocky Barbanica
Robert: Thanks.
- Ludwig Ederle
my brother-in-law just wrote about this
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Tina, is Steve's brother Dan?
- Laura Norvig
We need "notch filters" for social media.
- Alex de Soto
for life in general, Alex...
- Rocky Barbanica
there has to be some needles in those haystacks somewhere ...
- Laura Norvig
Good point Rocky!
- Alex de Soto
techcrunch removed hotmail identity - little wonder
- clive boulton
anything automated is ranked low on FB, right?
- Laura Norvig
Comments on Stack Overflow are low noise. Useless answers get shunned
- Murray Macdonald
I find Linkedin to be the worst for trolls. All the top posters are people just trying to game their system.
- Michael Roberts
@Murray: Only if you disregard negative-noise: that many, many of the most useful answers are also shunned.
- Kurtiss Hare
hellooooooo peeps
- Tina Chase Gillmor
yo, dude.
- Laura Norvig
Is this Twitter v Facebook disparity a reflection of a changing user base for each group or because of the platform-propriety each social media company is enforcing?
- christina sponselli
the platform where this did make sense was friendfeed...
- Kevin Marks
Show me some spam on Stack Overflow...
- Murray Macdonald
@Murray: spam is positive noise.
- Kurtiss Hare
spam is someone else's idea of marketing content, however misguided
- Jerome Hughes
Machine learning should learn what's right for you. The problem is that we rely on cloud vendors (fb, etc...) to learn for us. We should have client tools that are smarter than the cloud, but the market hasn't made them popular. I want machine learning to learn across my channels.
- Murray Macdonald
spam on stack overflow is language religiosity
- Kevin Marks
@Kevin Yes. And religiosity of many flavors.
- Kurtiss Hare
that whole maintenance and replication of a twitter thread on Friendfeed was very cool. I don't think it even works anymore, though.
- Laura Norvig
opinions are not spam, we only consider opinions we disagree with spam.
- Murray Macdonald
Are there any good social media platforms for discussion aside from quick comments. I've not yet seen discussions better than on mailing lists from the 90's. But now even mailing list culture is changing into lists of people sharing links only. There is lots of noise, but it seems less rich and thoughtful dialogue.
- Michael Roberts
Laura - yes, Dan Gillmor
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Michael Roberts, some G plus users are having rich discussions over there. (not me ... but ...)
- Laura Norvig
Vine is weird. I can't figure out how to do the full 6 seconds in one take. Is that right or am I missing something?
- Alex de Soto
Michael: Quora is the best.
- Robert Scoble
Tina, I've been a Dan fan from way back but was never sure if they were related!
- Laura Norvig
Alex: it is behaving differently for me too.
- Robert Scoble
Agree with Kevin. Feels to me the old YTMND.com
- Amyloo
Laura - very related ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Saw Dan last night at Aaron's memorial
- Kevin Marks
There is some very cool short animation on Vine.
- Alex de Soto
10 points for Gryffindor
- Kurtiss Hare
comtrail
- Laura Norvig
Animated gifs that are not controllable by the viewer are from the devil. They should die!
- Brian Sullivan
I have a remote control helicopter with a video camera in - cost me $39 at Marshalls
- Kevin Marks
kevin - I WANT ONE
- Tina Chase Gillmor
But everyone will never be on all of them, right?
- Kurtiss Hare
I do avoid some of them to a certain extent because the time suck is unbearable. I go where I get the most engagement (whether for work or personal use).
- Laura Norvig
Actually really hard to control it. I need an autonomous one...
- Kevin Marks
FB have a data monopoly. Twitter doesn't have much user data such as likes.
- Murray Macdonald
is the stream only for me a nightmare today?
- Ludwig Ederle
Robert: Quora I think works if you have a one off question, but for rich dialogue around a topic that ongoing over years, I'll have to follow many many threads. There isn't just one place. That can be a good thing, but I have search for the active thread. Laurabrarian: Yes, I agree Google plus is starting to show promise with their communities.
- Michael Roberts
They traded anti-trust for providing the feds with access to private user data, just like MS did years ago.
- Murray Macdonald
hmmm, Kevin's not drinking today? hangover?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
no, you rang before I got a glass...
- Kevin Marks
It's at least audacious
- Kurtiss Hare
Apple is too big. They have huge retail overhead. Without a new killer product, they will become the sony store.
- Murray Macdonald
insipational
- Tina Chase Gillmor
i mean, inspirational
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Futuristic is some of the drone tech I saw on NOVA this week. Wow!
- Alex de Soto
Yea i bet their next media event will circle back around to software. They are saturated in the mobile phone market
- Matthew Voshell
I said that 6 months ago.
- Murray Macdonald
MS I learned has tweaked their business model to engage with open source http://www.meetup.com/Seattle...
- clive boulton
I want an Apple iDrone
- Alex de Soto
The Apple product line has dried up. They have a serious problem on their hands. Steve is wrong here.
- Kevin Bryan
When was the last time Apple was audacious?
- Kurtiss Hare
they've always been the absolute best at hiding great ideas until they were ready to release them
- Jerome Hughes
Apple hasn't had an innovative product in 5+ years.
- Murray Macdonald
Jerome is right, which only goes to prove, we'll never really know when they're done.
- Kurtiss Hare
Apple is like Louis Vuitton. It's a fashion brand.
- Murray Macdonald
Google is clearly looking like the innovation company...for now.
- Alex de Soto
if only they'd publish a roadmap
- Jerome Hughes
I think Robert is right.
- Michael Roberts
Heeeeeeeeere we GO !!
- Rocky Barbanica
Foreigners shopping in 5th Ave Apple store confirm LV
- clive boulton
Apple doesn't have anyone left to say NO to big projects. That NO is what made a great company magical. Robert is dead on.
- Kevin Bryan
The *real* post-Jobs Apple is not one that's reeling from the void he left behind. Which is why Steve is right when he says Jobs' death is overstated.
- Kurtiss Hare
Apple is the new Microsoft.
- Brian Sullivan
Robert is right
- Murray Macdonald
I agree with Robert and he IS right.
- Kevin Bryan
I'm right too and didn't have to say a THING !
- Rocky Barbanica
Microsoft engaging w/ Open Source is the hidden story
- clive boulton
Android is the story... Look at the numbers
- Murray Macdonald
Everyone's waiting for the next Apple TV fantasy.
- Nir Ben Yona
did steve just set the bar too high?
- Matthew Voshell
voice to text
- Laura Norvig
Apple will offer a low-cost model, but I won't go there anyway. The Nexus 4 is kick ass, Google speech recognition is amazing.
- Murray Macdonald
GREAT cutaway, Steve
- Rocky Barbanica
Nexus 4 and SIII are NOT dumb phones.
- Murray Macdonald
...or Tina - Sorry, Doll
- Rocky Barbanica
remembering late 2008… with everyone out of work, who'll ever buy one of these iPhones?
- Jerome Hughes
Hell froze over... Steve has become the fan-boy, not Robert.
- Murray Macdonald
glasses will make the privacy issues of FB graph search pale!
- Laura Norvig
Anyone want a Macbook Pro with touch screen (i do)
- clive boulton
Steve's (great) humor v Robert's passion
- christina sponselli
Vuzix glasses are already available.
- Murray Macdonald
Rocky ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Remember Apple's reverse-side touch surface patent?
- Kurtiss Hare
The patent applies to sports scores and sports data at an event.
- Murray Macdonald
Steve has been an Apple fanboy since the Beatles launched the brand
- Kevin Marks
Apple's not making us dream, but they're still dreamy.
- Kurtiss Hare
As many people will upgrade from iPhone4 to Android.
- Murray Macdonald
Time for Apple to implement touch patents for MBP and iMac
- clive boulton
Here's something Apple can do: A credit card size iPhone that fits in your wallet and uses Siri through Bluetooth to do everything.
- Alex de Soto
Apple should buy Vuzix
- Murray Macdonald
assuming you do everything with sound only, Alex?
- Kevin Marks
Apple stock is overhyped, like FB was at launch.
- Murray Macdonald
The Great Scoble... hold a card to your head and tell us what apple is going to release next.
- Matthew Voshell
Even dreams can be boring.
- Kurtiss Hare
Kevin: And you can buy a wrist watch size sensor to do video and other things.
- Alex de Soto
this man innovates https://twitter.com/noazark...
- clive boulton
or you could attach them to your glasses?
- Kevin Marks
I thought Ive took Jobs' old title?
- Matthew Voshell
Any benevolent dictator will do. Fanboys buy everything apple.
- Murray Macdonald
Right Kevin
- Alex de Soto
your cc# and buying history
- Jerome Hughes
Heh. The computer/videophone wrist watch figures prominently in the old Thunderbirds series, my son's current fixation.
- Laura Norvig
Why hasn't Ives made us dream?
- Kurtiss Hare
iOS has too many restrictions. They should Open Source it. They remind me of Adobe missing the chance to open source Flex before HTML5 got legs.
- Murray Macdonald
Sergey on the No 3 train (darn I took the bus on Monday) https://twitter.com/noazark...
- clive boulton
remember hearing that about MacOS in the 90s, was that right?
- Jerome Hughes
@murray... they wouldn't be able to control use experience the way they want to
- Matthew Voshell
@matthew... Sure they can, as Google does with their Nexus series.
- Murray Macdonald
@Murray would you consider the fracted upgrades paths and missing features from other paths continuity?
- Matthew Voshell
Google learned from Jobs' death more than Apple did.
- Kurtiss Hare
Apple decided at some point (=Steve's passing) to play it safe. That's bad.
- Ludwig Ederle
Steve Jobs split into two: Sergey and Bezos.
- Alex de Soto
Apple would be worse off now if Jobs was alive and in control.
- Brian Sullivan
Nexus series devices have a better update path and history than Apple devices.
- Murray Macdonald
@murrary.. yes i agree.. nexus devices are great... but there are all the others lagging out there
- Matthew Voshell
@Alex de Soto That's the Google vid they're talking about. Great video.
- Kevin Bryan
Sure; There are good PCs (Intel motherboards) and low-end PCs. That doesn't mean I need a mac.
- Murray Macdonald
Who at apple would be the one to take risks? It wouldnt be that saucy southern boy... will he let Ive off the leash?
- Matthew Voshell
Google uses data for thumbs up - thumbs down. That's why Steve's intuition could leap ahead.
- clive boulton
@cliveab This is a critical insight.
- Kurtiss Hare
Great article -http://www.theverge.com/2013... thanks, Alex
- John Taschek
Google design getting better is very relative ... it's not *that* hard to get better when a lot of your UI is not so hot. I hope they continue the trend (if there is one), but I'm not holding my breath.
- Laura Norvig
Google figured out how to make great design with many designers. Apple hasn't figured this out. If they don't have one person saying yes or no, they either need to get that person or change their culture. They haven't done either of those things, so they drift, and Robert is right.
- Kevin Bryan
good point clive
- Kevin Marks
Actually Robert had mentioned the article earlier in the week. I loved it.
- Alex de Soto
AirPlay is just WifiDirect with restrictions
- Murray Macdonald
didn't realise there was a video in that report, read it on my phone
- Kevin Marks
Apple isn't grabbing as much attention or innovation at the pace it was, but its ecosystem is so strong that any improvement or new product that is interesting will create a lot of purchases and attention. .. yes indeed. Steve. I agree air play of part of the ecosystem
- Michael Roberts
Google has continuity issues though.. I'm sad they forget products and dont extend the design cues to all of them.. picasa?
- Matthew Voshell
AirPlay is a tease.
- Kurtiss Hare
Apple has not reacted to many API issues that Android has right.
- Murray Macdonald
but it looks great doing it!
- Jerome Hughes
Apple has not reacted to Wifi Direct. They resist P2P
- Murray Macdonald
Maps' data was bad, but their turn-by-turn implementation is better than Google's.
- Kurtiss Hare
apple shipped wifi direct
- Kevin Marks
Where is the Siri API?
- Matthew Voshell
Because they had secure fortune 500 clients.
- Murray Macdonald
@Kurtiss Hare if the data is bad, it doesn't matter what implementation they have. All that matters in a map is that the data is right.
- Kevin Bryan
@Kevin it all matters, it's all in flux.
- Kurtiss Hare
The SIRI API doesn't exist. Decent Text2Speech isn't a core API in Apple
- Murray Macdonald
Google's turn by turn directions suck in NYC (shades too slow)
- clive boulton
BB10 has developers excited. It has superior debugging tools
- Murray Macdonald
who's gonna get a Surface Pro on release?
- Jerome Hughes
the problem is the skyscrapers blocking the gps. behaves a bit better with wifi on
- Kevin Marks
30% of the top 100 iOS games are STILL FLASH
- Murray Macdonald
FLASH is alive and well on iOS, just not in the browser.
- Murray Macdonald
Google has a very messy ecosystem. Its easy to get lost in all their products and services. Apple is much better at tying things together. I think this will continue to give Apple an advantage overall.
- Michael Roberts
there's a lot of people who _hate_ Apple and Macs
- Jerome Hughes
@Kevin Marks -- answers why Google Maps keeps prompting to turn-on Wi-Fi
- clive boulton
Apple Mail is a superior client by far.. come on
- Matthew Voshell
Market share of the dream!
- Kurtiss Hare
Try developing code on a tablet. Over half the users at AnDevCon were sporting a Windows laptop.
- Murray Macdonald
yes, wifi basestation density is high where buildings block gps
- Kevin Marks
five of the top six apps are Google's http://www.nbcnews.com/technol...
- Da
My iPads sit idle. I use my Nexus.
- Murray Macdonald
Vanity Fair - LMAO !!
- Rocky Barbanica
I just bought another nexus 7 for my son
- Kevin Marks
I don't even know where my iPad is
- Kevin Marks
hm
- Kevin Marks
nexus 7 or a samsung chromebook?
- Matthew Voshell
What's an iPad?
- Rocky Barbanica
the regular user wants simplicity, though. whoever can deliver that wins.
- Laura Norvig
52 instragrams
- Murray Macdonald
Laurabrarian. I agree.
- Michael Roberts
ha, is that my screen name now - I forgot to change it back!
- Laura Norvig
EyeEm passed Instagram in the App Store charts
- Ludwig Ederle
Why would anyone want YAHOO! ???
- Murray Macdonald
I bought nexus 7 for 5 yo girl. She's dropped using 3DS
- clive boulton
name the sho please
- Tina Chase Gillmor
wow, lots of love for nexus 7!
- Laura Norvig
chasing the dream
- Jerome Hughes
"thrill me"
- Murray Macdonald
What happens after we dream? What's happened when we've dreamt in the past?
- Kurtiss Hare
Nexus 7 has a great GPU
- Murray Macdonald
Chrome is great, too
- christina sponselli
Google Glass is hosting first events in NYC and SV next week?
- clive boulton
walled garden wars
- Laura Norvig
Walled gardens are dead. Open/Android is the future.
- Murray Macdonald
My Nexus 7 has a terrible battery and charging system/software. I like it OK but prefer my iPad mini.
- Alex de Soto
I'll be thrilled when our predictive algorithms incorporate rebellion.
- Kurtiss Hare
were you surprised by the iPhone announce? or did you know all about it?
- Jerome Hughes
Wondering if Sergey was scooping out a parachute drop into midtown https://twitter.com/noazark...
- clive boulton
Too many algorithms are still like companies and they need to be more like industries.
- Kurtiss Hare
ooh, is it my affordable robotic assistant that cleans, cooks, and runs all my errands?
- Laura Norvig
The likelyhood of something big happening if you don't specify it, is huge. P2P could explode. BTLE sensors could explode.
- Murray Macdonald
Jerome: we had TONS of signal that something huge was coming at that announcements.
- Robert Scoble
part of what is interesting is that the startup culture is so broad based now that new innovations might not come out of Silicon Valley, but maybe in Africa, or South Asia.
- Michael Roberts
more like 1 or 2%
- Laura Norvig
-2% Oh wait, that's our wind chill factor.
- Alex de Soto
70% chance
- Murray Macdonald
Bayesian statistics for beginners, John
- Kevin Marks
Wait, do we mean unexpected AND thrilling? Or just unexpected?
- Kurtiss Hare
unexpected and "dreamy"
- Laura Norvig
pffft - you guys will talk about anything!
- Laura Norvig
from 'Bayasian' statisticians
- clive boulton
Look backwards... We have been floored by something unexpected in 70% of past years.
- Murray Macdonald
How about some dark shades for those Google Glasses?
- Alex de Soto
Isn't the fast, thin, HD phone kind of the expected unexpected...?
- Kurtiss Hare
the future's so bright…
- Jerome Hughes
It's amazing the Google gets all the glasses hype when Vuxiz already makes Android glasses. It reminds me of MS announcing their CRM 3 years before it was ready to scare off competition.
- Murray Macdonald
Something something something Robert is right. :)
- Kevin Bryan
Care to elaborate?
- Murray Macdonald
i predict viewing data in the air. no screen
- Tina Chase Gillmor
What if Apple or Amazon buy Vuzix?
- Murray Macdonald
Hype is justified b/c of the couple (brand, product).
- Kurtiss Hare
NE1 have tix to upcoming Google Glass events?
- clive boulton
Head tracking or eye tracking? Vuzix has head tracking.
- Murray Macdonald
how did our hand and head get separated in evolution?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Disabled people have used eye tracking for years... It works well. No headaches
- Murray Macdonald
@tina its called scobvolution
- Matthew Voshell
Ok, let's be honest. We don't know the health implications :p
- Kurtiss Hare
hand is focused on touching
- Kevin Marks
what about people with lazy eyes? fail
- Matthew Voshell
Great. Now people talk to themselves while walking (bluetooth). Soon they'll go around shaking their heads.
- Alex de Soto
What are the health implications of the iPhone?
- Murray Macdonald
You'll care when you're 80.
- Kurtiss Hare
Or if your kid is getting exposed...
- christina sponselli
We need a smart phone with forward and sideways cameras so you can see onscreen what's happening around you.
- Murray Macdonald
Murray: eventually our smartphones will have 3D sensors.
- Robert Scoble
...scoble wants the floating chairs from Wall-E... just let them do EVERYTHING for us
- Matthew Voshell
Strict Glass NDA's http://www.droid-life.com/2013...
- clive boulton
Robert: Agreed. But sideways oriented? Like cameras, we'll see forward and user facing 3D cameras before 360 squared.
- Murray Macdonald
Google Project Glass is looking great. It’s a move towards technology that disappears in the background, until I want it. Countless times, I wanted to take pictures, shoot videos, dictate text, make calls, look up information, etc.- but where’s that darn phone? then, I have look down to touch some glass slab
- Da
All for that Da!
- Alex de Soto
John: yes indeed. In the age of context, health care innovation should be quite amazing. like predictive models of when you might have a heart attack if you don't change your diet, based against a control model.
- Michael Roberts
All we know is that we will be surprised. Black swan baby...
- Murray Macdonald
why didn't you go to Davos, Robert ... was it so you could stay home for Mavericks?
- Laura Norvig
@Da -- looking down at the glass slab very noticeable in midtown NYC
- clive boulton
Mavericks rocks! I decided to go to Midem. in France.
- Robert Scoble
Music technology.
- Robert Scoble
@Michael R -- health care innovation -- yes https://twitter.com/1wu
- clive boulton
Thanks, Tina!
- Laura Norvig
Thanks everyone. Enjoyable again.
- Murray Macdonald
Good show, y'all. Thanks.
- Kurtiss Hare
thanks, everyone, and especially Tina!
- Jerome Hughes
Thanks Gillmor Gang. Good show.
- Michael Roberts
thanks EVERYONE!!!!
- Tina Chase Gillmor