NewsGang Live @ 1PM Pacific http://www.building43.com/realtim...
Susan Beebe,
andy brudtkuhl,
Hilary Talbot,
Christian Burns ,
Cathryn Hrudicka,
Mark Edwards,
Dave Martin,
Mike Doeff,
Karoli,
Ken Sheppardson,
Rob La Gesse,
Cliff Gerrish,
Derrick Peters,
earl wallace,
Alberto Saavedra,
Jan B p,
Eran Even-Kesef,
Robert J Taylor,
Christopher Harris,
and
Tom Milsom
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I know I'll be there, NGL at 1pm.
- Cliff Gerrish
See you there, gang!
- Tom Milsom
Today? On Tuesday? Has it moved from Thursday? (per building43.com/realtime)
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken - we're doing NewsGang Live in a few minutes. Thursday is still Gillmor Gang
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Ah. Got it. Missed the "News" part :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Echo. Fixed.
- Ken Sheppardson
yay!
- Francine Hardaway
Weird hearing everybody at the same time again.
- Ken Sheppardson
Nice for us all to be back!
- Rob La Gesse
What a little cutie pie.
- Amyloo
Great to hear these voices again.
- Mike Doeff
Watching this live :)
- Robert J Taylor
It feels just like 2008 except that Obama won!
- Michael Pinto
Those of you on video - get your mouse cursor off your faces :)
- Rob La Gesse
where is the video for Francine Hardaway - we need to see the dogs!
- Michael Pinto
Is there a link to Tom's material?
- Mike Doeff
Thanks Ken
- Mike Doeff
brilliant and poignant tune
- Eran Even-Kesef
The Internets Got Talent with Steve Gillmor
- Dave Martin
Two fer Tuesday!!
- Matt Terenzio
Excellent
- Amyloo
claps
- Mike Doeff
I just got home, anything happen? Too many interviews packed into today.
- Robert Scoble
Unless Phil can sing his response I think it's unfair
- Michael Pinto
robert they've just been getting started
- Michael Pinto
Robert - You missed introductions and Tom's song.
- Ken Sheppardson
All depends on your perspective Robert
- Matt Terenzio
phil why are you opposed to a public option?
- Eran Even-Kesef
@MichaelPinto - sounds like Phil's rapping his response :)
- Robert J Taylor
I'll just listen in.
- Robert Scoble
Intros - Steve, Michael Markman, Karoli, Francine Hardaway, Rob La Gesse, Tom Milsom and Phil Windley. :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
where is loren feldman?
- HansVanRock
loren was on last week
- Michael Pinto
Loren has been on GillmorGang. That's Thursday. This is NewsGang
- Ken Sheppardson
@Hans - tending to puppets? *shrug*
- Robert J Taylor
well, then a loren puppet would be cool
- HansVanRock
loren is deep into the study of his Shari Lewis videos
- Dave Martin
@Hans - yep :)
- Robert J Taylor
so what you are saying is that we need a public option, if medicare and medicaid needs to come into the debate
- Eran Even-Kesef
it's not so much the republicans - but the lobbyists for the health insurance companies, keep in mind that many blue dog Dems are the problem
- Michael Pinto
yes a few blue dogs and ALL republicans are opposed
- Eran Even-Kesef
Failing the senate 60 they will be pushed into reconciliation
- Dave Martin
Phil? Explain, specifically, why you feel a free market is so essential for our HEALTH? We discuss this like there's some mystery about alternatives. Canada's system is less than perfect, but try finding an unhappy Canadian. You can't. Why is that? Why do THEY make it work, but we can't? Explain that to us. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009...
- Shoq
Rudy is just adding noise to the debate
- Michael Pinto
jet plane overhead
- Tina Chase Gillmor
as long as you dont need to use your plan in a serious way, you will remain happy with the plan
- Eran Even-Kesef
The seniors are upset. They don't want cuts to Medicare.
- Francine Hardaway
Phil is right in that Harry Reid hasn't done a good job of making thecase
- Michael Pinto
I dont thinks cuts to medicare are seriously on the table, part of the death panel myth
- Eran Even-Kesef
the longer the issue drags on the longer it looks like you don't know what you're doing - so it has hurt, look at the poll numbers
- Michael Pinto
Without seniors there's no profit in the system, that's the dirty little secret. The system is built on the backs of those most in need.
- Dave Martin
half white
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Triggers are the mid-term cycle hedge
- Dave Martin
Peter B Lewis's Progressive Insurance offers thousands of employees great plans for under $100 a month. Now why can HE do that, and not the rest of our employers? I don't know the answer, but I suspect it's because it's an HONEST insurance company working on volume, with constraints that prevent them from gambling with the pool of money. A public option can work the same way, and that's why the Insurance industry simply won't stand for a public option. Fairness is unfair competition to them.
- Shoq
those 10 points are very real if you're running in 2010
- Michael Pinto
Read this: http://www.rollingstone.com/politic...
- Francine Hardaway
Triggers are bullshit. Before a trigger could ever kick in, they'd change the rules. It just plays into the industry's hegemony over the process.
- Shoq
we lost Markman...trying to get him back
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Steve, It's a moral issue
- Dave Martin
5 jets in five minutes
- Tina Chase Gillmor
How can @kr8tr think they'll be happy with anything less than a total takeover of the whole healthcare system? ;-)
- Robert J Taylor
Karoli - you're unmuted again
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Why can't we address the people in need through our existing Social Security system? If you are in need of healthcare, apply for it through social security. We can put into place some income guidelines, etc. pretty easily.
- Stephen M. Otto
Phil. Republicans have been saying that for 60 years
- Shoq
"dealing with the people who most need it" would just mean dumping more money into SS and Medicaid, no? Or are we talking about some new benefits program? If the problem is systemic, you can't just treat a symptom.
- Ken Sheppardson
there's not universal support for that from health insurance companies
- Michael Pinto
Health insurance is NOT Healthcare. http://www.blondetwit.com/2009...
- Shoq
You guys are so last year. Mark Foley just got his own radio show :)
- Shoq
Having not read the entire blondetwit post, I'll just point out that I've always thought "health insurance for pre-existing conditions" is sort of an oxymoron.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken: I am confident that the other issues can be addressed by removing gov restrictions from insurance...let insurance be offered across state boundaries, increase competition. If you find yourself without the ability to get coverage due to a pre-existing condition, this could also be addressed by applying for coverage through this suggested extension of social security. Also: tort reform.
- Stephen M. Otto
Getting a show means very little, the ball game is attracting, sustaining a competitive audience; stay tuned ;-)
- Dave Martin
Rob La Gasse, has the most reasonable argument, dealing with those who are currently uninsured should be the first priority
- Eran Even-Kesef
Stephen: I was just addressing Rob's comment that we just deal with the folks who most need it and not try to fix it all at the same time. The fundamental problem, BTW is we have lots of problems that can't be solved in 4 to 8 years. Our system is unable to deal with stuff that requires consistent objectives and approaches over a longer period.
- Ken Sheppardson
tort reform would prove to be a third-rail issue for the dems in the mid-terms
- Dave Martin
Cost controls are simply bullshit. They've talked about cost controls for 40 years. Medicare has NO ABILITY TO NEGOTIATE PRICES. WTF are you talking about?
- Shoq
Eran: we have an infrastructure in place for this. It's called Social Security, complete with Administrative Law Judges, case workers, etc.
- Stephen M. Otto
People want access to the current healthcare our country has today...we've got to be careful that we don't change the quality of care while providing access...
- Robert J Taylor
Dave. more bullshit from the past. Medical malpractice is not even 1% of medical costs. That's anoteher lie to give the right more favors for OTHER business
- Shoq
Eran - and we have borrowed heavily against it.
- Rob La Gesse
Shoq: how can you quantify defensive medicine?
- Stephen M. Otto
So when can I listen to this? Let me guess, video only? I wonder if a bootleg will show up…
- Christian Burns
Robert. our quality of care is not good compared to many other countries. We provide quality specialty care and suboptimal primary care and care for chronic disease.
- Francine Hardaway
Shoq - you're looking at it from a med costs pov when it's really important b/c it harms providers by reaching prohibitive levels of staying in business - ask any physician
- Dave Martin
The answer to defensive medicine is not to suddenly remove any remaining safeguards thee are. The vast majority of doctors are never sued. This is another distraction. Defensive medicine is just the latest rhetoric used by the AMA to dazzle the nation with bullshit.
- Shoq
Beautiful song, there is hope in the air!
- Eran Even-Kesef
You mean the physicians who own most of the MRI facilities in DC? When you have conflicts like that, you dont' deserve to be at the table. The entire system is bass akwards. It's not about health care. It's about profit-care
- Shoq
I second the motion
- Eran Even-Kesef
We talk about thisproblem as if the problem has no solution. We are the ONLY major nation without one, and its' simply absurd.
- Shoq
Shoq: You are right we are the only industrialized nation with out one, but we have a history of doing things differently, not always the best way.
- Eran Even-Kesef
thanks to everyone!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Shoq, yeah it's a damn shame we can't come up with a way to totally mess over all the shareholders of those profitable companies, esp those stupid investors that are on fixed incomes depending on distributions.
- Dave Martin
Eran, and that history is coming up pretty short. It's time to find another way. Because as steve points out, we can't afford this.
- Shoq
These shareholders were oblivious for years, allowing their boards to run us into the ground. At this point, it's just one more bubble to burst, as this country escapes the mass delusions of the past 30 years. You cannot run a nation out of balance, where most of the wealth and justice trickles up to the top, and only the shit trickles down. It cannot continue like this, and no 9th grade Randian vision of free market utopias will change that. We can find a way to adapt, or die. It's probably already too late, but these little patch ideas have failed miserably. It's time for real change.
- Shoq
I agree and I argue that the only solution is a universal healthcare model, unfortunatly, to many of us are blind, miss-informed and just plain greedy. Therefore a gradual approach that Rob suggested seems to be the only practical alternative.
- Eran Even-Kesef
By the way we have a simlair situation in our education system, where there is a 50% dropout rate in the urban areas, this is can also be directly corelated to the healthcare system, and for that matter an example of our parallel tiered societies. Gosh I am sounding very radical, even though I am not.
- Eran Even-Kesef
what Shoq said.
- Michael Markman
While we are fixing/rebooting/rethinking things, might as well throw down on education and the justice/penal systems
- Dave Martin
Dave-I agree with you, there is much that needs fixing
- Eran Even-Kesef
Getting meta here...this was a good show with good discussion -- good conversation in the chat, too. NOT typical for on-line politically-charged forums!
- Robert J Taylor
Hey everyone, next time I'll figure out how to comment and be on the show at the same time. My little muddled head couldn't multitask today, but I had a great time and really enjoyed the back and forth. I'd like to give Phil Windley huge kudos for having a great counterpoint and reasonable approach. thanks to all who listened, too.
- Karoli
I agree with Karoli. Reasonable, sane Republicans seem to be an endangered species. I'm sorry my contributions were so sparse. Tech problems on my end kept punting me from the call.
- Michael Markman
Tom Milsom (@hexachordal) has posted lyrics to the healthcare song he sang on newsgang live earlier today. http://bit.ly/ptEBO Says if there's demand, he'll post a recording, too.
- Michael Markman
Michael, I would LOVE a recording. That thing would be completely viral. Does he have a FB fan page?
- Karoli
we'll rerun at 1PM Pacific tomorrow.
- Steve Gillmor
Thank you for rerunning.
- Hilary Talbot
Not just for me (but I'll admit my motivation is because I can't see it), you might want to think about varying the time of the re-run, or adding more so they're not all at the same time on weekworkdays. If possible.
- Amyloo
I agree with Amyloo. Also, now that the show has an international panel, ythere's even more reason to provide reruns that play in a variety of time-slots.
- Michael Markman
NewsGang Live now replaying at http://building43.com/realtime
- Cliff Gerrish
cool show, thanks!
- Hilary Talbot
re incremental reform, sometimes it just doesn't work. I'm thinking of decimal conversion.
- Hilary Talbot
Hilary, I just wrote a post about how I think the best way to transition to single payer should go...on a state by state basis.
- Karoli
Thanks, Karoli, it's a good post. I can see state-by-state might be the most workable approach in such a ferociously complicated issue. It's easy for outsiders like me to forget how much independence exists in your state federal relationships.
- Hilary Talbot
Sad that I can't see this show. Wish I could.
- Christian Burns
Anyone have a recording of this?
- Michael Breslin
Video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Jack