GIllmor Gang, recording live today 1pm PT participate at http://www.building43.com/realtim...
Nir Ben Yona,
Laura Norvig,
Evan Prodromou,
manielse (Mark Nielsen),
Stephen Pickering,
Tina Chase Gillmor,
Naor Mark,
go2blog,
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Jerome Hughes
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Getting ready
- Keith Teare
about 5 minutes til blast off1
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I'm here, it's 1 p.m.
- Robert Scoble
I'm here - have to depart abruptly at 2:00.
- John Taschek
Oh, shoot, missed the call. Call back.
- Robert Scoble
We are having technical troubles, just hang out...
- Robert Scoble
Is this the primary chat area for Gillmor Gang listeners?
- Matt Terenzio
Yeah! Show starting in a few seconds.
- Robert Scoble
Yes, isn't it awesome?
- Stephen Pickering
need that 'don't bother me setting'
- Kevin Marks
I almost think you don't need to monetize mobile. Mobile seems to be the content creator, and then I''d rather consume it on the big screen.
- Stephen Pickering
Matt Lauer
- Stephen Pickering
Facebook is a chair -- talk about that nonsense.
- Brian Sullivan
He's right because it only measures how many people are still actually looking
- Stephen Pickering
Facebook is a chair? are they trying to get Clint Eastwood to join?
- Kevin Marks
Don't need to monetize mobile because those 600 million are creating free content for FB
- Stephen Pickering
Hello friends.
- Darren
Olá
- Stephen Pickering
The geek users are there.
- Stephen Pickering
hello everyone!! Big weekend ahead here in the bay area
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Google+ crowd seems to be more tech-centric audience.
- christina sponselli
I love how G+ automatically uploads my photos. That's a great hook.
- Stephen Pickering
limiting Likes may limit the ability of FB to know its users
- Da
Uh oh. Attention was mentioned. Next it'll be Gestures. ; )
- Matt Terenzio
Robert maintains some great lists and I thank him very much for doing it. I just wish that I can tune the list for my own needs like I can clone in G+
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Don't forget the "Game of Games". :)
- Darren
Dang, Zynga is selling for the amount of cash they have
- Stephen Pickering
Calacanis seems to think Zynga will make it with online gambling. Do you buy that?
- Stephen Pickering
Words with Friends
- Da
Is Scoble still in Second Life?
- Matt Terenzio
They had Casinos.
- Matt Terenzio
Noticed that "dice with buddies" is the latest trend with many.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Do you think online gambling will become legal in the US anytime soon?
- Stephen Pickering
Matt: no.
- Robert Scoble
Gambling is all about controlling taxes on it, so maybe if they block sites from outside U.S. or tariff them somehow
- Matt Terenzio
steam! coming to linux as a hedge against windows
- john
unlikely Stephen
- Kevin Marks
Today back in 1962, the first James Bond Movie, Dr No was released. Plus the Beatles released their first single, 'Love Me Do'. Both James Bond and The Beatles became Britain's biggest Cultural Icons of the 60's.
- Moe Glitz
http://indiegamethemovie.com is worth watching
- Kevin Marks
I loved games before I started web devlopment, then that became my game, or consumed any game time I ever have.
- Matt Terenzio
I wanted to see that
- Stephen Pickering
sacca : fB is for friends you used to know, twitter is friends you want to know
- john
$10 for a 1080p download, Stephen
- Kevin Marks
that wasn't sacca originally
- Kevin Marks
john: sacca used to be right. He isn't any more.
- Robert Scoble
Ha! Kevin
- Stephen Pickering
M&A
- Darren
Twitter is currently worth between $6-10 Billion?
- Moe Glitz
Apparently
- Stephen Pickering
But in QE Infinity dollars what's a billion here or there?
- Stephen Pickering
Pinterest about the same. Still don't know why?
- Moe Glitz
Just don't take away my TweetBot!
- Stephen Pickering
Twitter is the modern Yahoo? That doesn't bode well.
- Brian Sullivan
Twitter wants to be the CNN of Social Microblogging
- Moe Glitz
twitter has become CNN + Enquirer
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Twitter is CNN-- that also doesn't bode well for them.
- Brian Sullivan
Very true Tina
- Moe Glitz
It's just the modern version of news, where the audience is also the producers
- Matt Terenzio
fB is still way slower on mobile than tw (both native app + stream)
- john
Mobile is the advert for the service as a whole
- Stephen Pickering
Scoble blow!
- Evan Prodromou
he's going of the rails!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Is that what Steve was saying?
- Matt Terenzio
It's mostly a Twitter design issue more than the 500 List limit.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
So what should they do?
- Stephen Pickering
Some things need huge scale but not all things. Some services do fine with smaller numbers, and by fine I mean add more value to their users by virtue of the fact that they aren't mainstream huge.
- Matt Terenzio
Agree with Kevin. The TV 'n' tweet combo is interactive, not just sit back and watch entertainment.
- Amyloo
i get the most intelligent developer links from twitter
- john
having to patch apps for retina is such a cock-up
- Kevin Marks
Apple should have developed a better way to show legacy apps on retina. Depending of the developers to support it was a big mistake. They should have do it in the OS.
- Murray Macdonald
had to look up cock-up : )
- Matt Terenzio
Keith has the biggest one
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I'm clearly compensating
- Keith Teare
making the type look right in retina should have been job one.
- Kevin Marks
Hahahaha
- Stephen Pickering
big blocks or little blocks
- john
what do you mean you can't make a list on twitter ...?
- Laura Norvig
@scobleizer - he's right Twitter is about entertainment -- see the top most popular: http://twitaholic.com/
- John Taschek
Facebook ads are dorky.
- Brian Sullivan
Laura you can't make this list on Twitter: https://www.facebook.com/lists...
- Robert Scoble
Both are bad Door to Door Salesmen
- Moe Glitz
Why? Twitter is limited to 500 startups. This list has 1,400.
- Robert Scoble
Rope a dope?
- Brian Sullivan
Both are full of noise.
- Murray Macdonald
RSS still the best news feed....
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Do people only want news
- Murray Macdonald
And news publications, like NY Times, are pushing notifications directly on phones
- christina sponselli
Where do people get their news? - http://www.poynter.org/latest-...
- John Taschek
Steve, your voice a little distored
- Murray Macdonald
Scoble is right
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Why do I want my news on a small screen?
- Murray Macdonald
no Scoble is right
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Isn't it a matter of taste? Scoble likes the pictures. I like that you can scan more messages on a single Twitter screen, and get a better, broader sense of what's going on right now.
- Amyloo
joke
- Laura Norvig
And iPhone has Google Maps... Oh right...
- Murray Macdonald
I think I'm mixed on pictures in news feeds. They have value but should be sized smaller unless I click on that post for more. Would be best of both worlds.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
!!
- Amyloo
fB - 20
- john
text only = cognitive overload
- Laura Norvig
I know Steve' mic is being weird and not sure why. Will troubleshoot after show
- Tina Chase Gillmor
So pinterest is the #1 feed?
- Murray Macdonald
Take that!
- Hilary Talbot
He's blowing
- Tina Chase Gillmor
FB v Twitter discussion feels like a management meeting where people talk about a website design review. Everyone has an opinion. Put it out for user testing.
- christina sponselli
OK, now you're getting derailed, Robert. You were on a roll there for a minute. Popular doesn't mean quality, obviously.
- Laura Norvig
Wow, it wasn't me this time for the feed rant! ;-)
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
but but I hate picnics!
- Amyloo
Let's just get our news from Flickr then! Do away with all text!
- Matt Terenzio
Robert's smile is telling
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Why are all the developers so prone to use twitter, not fb?
- Murray Macdonald
Twitterest
- Moe Glitz
I want options in the mobile apps to chose pics vs text only. How hard is that....
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Now we all know your password...
- Murray Macdonald
Yes Twitter needs to innovate
- Tina Chase Gillmor
bingo
- Laura Norvig
Murray: you can have my iPhone after you uncurl my cold dead fingers off of it. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
well, why not have the user be able to choose their options, which is what the API was for, innovation from other places
- Matt Terenzio
+1 matt
- Amyloo
Robert: It will be obsolete by then... And a little too sweaty.
- Murray Macdonald
I'm on Google Reader more than Facebook, Twitter, G+. Much faster to go thru text than pictures
- Da
Robert: I thought flipbook was your news client...
- Murray Macdonald
Do you think someone may fund app.net so that it could go free?
- Stephen Pickering
Me too Da.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I don't want a single automated feed filter. I want to control my filters, not have it automagically done for me. The winner will be the one with the greatest filter control.
- Murray Macdonald
Well, Robert isn't a typical user. I only follow 700 people on twitter and that is intentional, not because I can't find more. Not sure what typical number of followers is though
- Matt Terenzio
Big Turkeys
- Moe Glitz
Average Twitter user follows 170 accounts
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Where is the client/platform that lets me control my filters? FB tries to do it automatically, but isolates me from things. Twitter to too much.
- Murray Macdonald
Stephen, wouldn't that defeat the purpose? Then they would need another business model and there would be a conflict of interest again.
- Matt Terenzio
We put out a Romney-Obama social survey here: http://www.radian6.com/blog...
- John Taschek
kpbs is nothing better for a disaster event in your area, nothing had more info on the radio during the SD fires
- john
and clear channel was on auto pilot with no info on most of the fm dial
- john
Robert: is flickr your main news feed? why not?
- Murray Macdonald
Matt, point taken, but from what I'm hearing they need more innovation, so I figure App.net could do it better, even though, you're right, they'd still have to find a monetization model
- Stephen Pickering
Facebook and Twitter feeds into my Google Reader. Sucks I can't do that for G+
- Da
Pictures are not everything. Twitter has photos too. Twitter clients could show more photos...
- Murray Macdonald
Stephen, yes, it would eliminate the innovation part of the problem
- Matt Terenzio
The media talks about Twitter because it is like them -- they understand it. They talk and everybody listens.
- Brian Sullivan
What Jack said was right. The number is down only because the labor force has shrunk.
- Stephen Pickering
Facebook basically *forces* users to post graphics if they want to get any attention. There's a feedback loop where posts with graphics get more likes and comments, therefore they get higher in the newsfeed and therefore FB tweaks the algorithm to bump stuff w/graphics, and then organizations that follow FB trends feel compelled to post graphics or videos.
- Laura Norvig
Same with G+ Laura.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Everyone is using voicemail, but I wrote it off years ago...
- Murray Macdonald
I'm so totally addicted to FB. I wish Robert would do a tutorial on how to use it more effectively though.
- Stephen Pickering
Eventually that supports the growth of idiocracy, as people aren't forced to practice reading
- Laura Norvig
LinkedIn is the yellow pages for business...for better and worse.
- christina sponselli
I agree with Steve - Facebook is an irritation -- if my daughter didn't post pictures and movies of my new granddaughter there I wouldn't go there.
- Brian Sullivan
tune your feed!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Linked-in is match.com for the chronically underemployed.
- Murray Macdonald
Then on Twitter there is: #FF @a @b @c @z garbage
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Why doesn't twitter just launch a better UI? Seems like low hanging fruit.
- Murray Macdonald
You can't do it all in one UI. The beauty of third party twitter stuff was different stuff for diff use cases.
- Laura Norvig
in the end fB has 50b's .. tw has 6b and they're competing
- john
Brian - Steve is wrong
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I post Dead Videos and Yankee game photos to FB. My followers there aren't interested in Python or the News industry. They are on Twitter.
- Matt Terenzio
I don't agree that mobile is a challenge. It's an advantage. It's the content creator.
- Stephen Pickering
I want to send all these feeds into a single client that gives me powerful filtering options that I can control.
- Murray Macdonald
Tina -- That is what my daughter says as well -- but I don't buy it.
- Brian Sullivan
I want to create a handful of different feeds, from my raw feeds. One for friends, one for geeks, one for politics, etc...
- Murray Macdonald
He's so right about the Meta stuff
- Stephen Pickering
I see the same stuff that Robert sees on FB on G+.
- Brian Sullivan
The normal person doesn't subscribe to "lists".
- Brian Sullivan
Why doesn't Twitter put ads on their site?
- Stephen Pickering
I mean on the right or left side of the page
- Stephen Pickering
I want to make my own lists from different sources/feeds then direct them to different clients.
- Murray Macdonald
Flipscam
- Stephen Pickering
But YOUR lists are not exactly for the subscribers, it's a jump start but it takes time to steal the ones in the list for a personal list. It's a good start but G+ does a better job to clone a circle then modify to your needs.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
RAX = 9 billion dollar market cap, and my dumb ass didn't buy any shares 3 years ago
- Stephen Pickering
I agree with laura
- Kevin Marks
Robert, I've been looking for some subject matter to test one online course on 8 to 10 different platforms. Would you be interested in providing an instructional video on how to tune your FB feed?
- Amyloo
I want my FB, Twitter, and linkedin feeds, boil them down, and view them (separately) as different lists.
- Murray Macdonald
Mark: you're wrong. Google+ is an abortion. I can't do anything like what I just did on Google+ to get you started.
- Robert Scoble
Amy: might be fun, but the next month is hell on my calendar.
- Robert Scoble
That Chris Sacca interview was mind-blowing
- Evan Prodromou
Thanks again guys.
- Murray Macdonald
I agree and disagree Robert. My point was I can clone your list and then filter for me. That is a huge hole in the FB list features.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I haven't quite worked it out yet, so much later would be better for me. I'll let you know if I make progress on it.
- Amyloo
Thanks to everyone. This conversation is always so smart
- Tina Chase Gillmor