GIllmor Gang, recording live today 1pm PT participate at http://www.building43.com/realtim...
Nir Ben Yona,
Laura Norvig,
Tina Chase Gillmor,
maudeangileque,
Christina Minoqe,
Thomas Page,
Charlie Isaacs,
Ankush Narula,
Brian Hendrickson,
Jerome Hughes,
and
clive boulton
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Sinof out, Satya anointed? (insiders say he is the one to watch) http://www.microsoft.com/en-us...
- clive boulton
happy Friday! :)
- Charlie Isaacs
Ready
- Keith Teare
Is there a Gillmor Gang today?
- John Taschek
John: Yes
- Keith Teare
That's what the tweet said :)
- Charlie Isaacs
we hear audio
- Charlie Isaacs
batsignal received
- Jerome Hughes
awaiting the call
- Kevin Marks
oops. mics were open. Thank goodness Steve and I weren't fighting!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
calling now . Stand by
- Tina Chase Gillmor
yes John. Calling now
- Tina Chase Gillmor
had slight delay
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Tina, couples never fight, there is just an animated discussion with a predetermined outcome: wife wins
- Charlie Isaacs
Charlie... you must be married ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
not fighting, robust dialog =)
- clive boulton
What Newsgang should I call in on?
- Robert Scoble
I can't hear anything.
- Robert Scoble
robert, you cant seem to hear us
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Don't know why I can't.
- Robert Scoble
robert, we are hanging up and calling back
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Try again.
- Robert Scoble
robert check your setting
- Tina Chase Gillmor
yeah, Robert is here, but now I have to change my tweet :)
- Charlie Isaacs
meanwhile Silver Machine http://youtu.be/toYmC37JMtg
- clive boulton
we hear audio now
- Charlie Isaacs
you are live on audio
- Charlie Isaacs
321 ah...shi
- clive boulton
I love Silver Machine
- Keith Teare
now we have video :)
- Charlie Isaacs
Nope. not bullshit. I manage a nonprofit facebook page. We have lost our reach.
- Laura Norvig
The Gillmor Gang was late because Steve was ordering Twinkies before Hostess goes under
- Charlie Isaacs
Aloha!
- Nir Ben Yona
CUPCAKES!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Taschek is going with the trend Andrew Keen noticed in europe - huge headphones
- Kevin Marks
understand Sinof's POV (keep a tight grip)
- clive boulton
regarding Microsofts' enterprise collab: we heard from Yammer CTO Pisoni at the ConstellationRG Connected Enterprise conference last week that the executives "haven't exactly embraced Yammer yet" -- so their collaboration isn't going to happen any time soon
- Charlie Isaacs
You have to own the ecosystem-platform chain: devices, OS, browser, search. Its bonding; its value chain. The walled garden is now a city-state.
- Chien-Yu Lin
MSFT is such an email culture, very hard to shift
- Kevin Marks
so when is salesforce gonna produce hw?
- studentforce
Satya Nadella teams picked up the innovation with PM's tasked with open standards and open source interop (SQL Azure + Apache Hadoop, more in the pipeline)
- clive boulton
Isn't Office market share decreasing ??
- studentforce
The specific challenge for Microsoft is that they are perceived to be on the wrong side of the work-play wall. When you are not "fun", the developers don't come: iPhone vs. RIM.
- Chien-Yu Lin
MS momentum is still going in the wrong way
- studentforce
fully prepared to fight the war before the war before
- Jerome Hughes
Microsoft not embracing collaboration yet is ridiculous. can you imagine?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
TCG: That's being just too big (left hand, right hand).
- Chien-Yu Lin
OLE!
- Jerome Hughes
Their tools group is keeping up, good web dev ideas in there, but as they do they make windows less relevant.
- Kevin Marks
Flickr, Skype - Again, being on the wrong side of the work-play wall.
- Chien-Yu Lin
Sinof productized Sharepoint. Mike Koss created. Ward Cunningham inspired http://c2.com/cgi....
- clive boulton
so what's the scan to next gesture with the glasses, Robert?
- Jerome Hughes
use flipboard everyday to see a summary of social from those I follow
- studentforce
eyeroll, Jerome
- Kevin Marks
:D
- Jerome Hughes
imagining suits wandering around chanting "next… next…"
- Jerome Hughes
there's a Google Glass knockoff from Vuzix http://gizmodo.com/5960368...
- Charlie Isaacs
Seems like you could make a swiping motion with your hand in front of the glasses. Would seem natural -- now.
- Amyloo
and then most everybody
- Jerome Hughes
Companies working together work when you are playing catch up or if you want to build a very substantial lead on the rest of the companies in your space. When you are in the middle, its a marriage of desperation.
- Chien-Yu Lin
'cos no-one is using the hashtag yet?
- Kevin Marks
one wink is scroll up, two winks scroll down, a tear is "go back"
- Charlie Isaacs
shoot, you guys are going to Paris without me?!?! That's just not right.
- Tina Chase Gillmor
sad ;-(
- Tina Chase Gillmor
should I be going to Le Web? hmmm
- Kevin Marks
Google, not Apple, currently holds the mantle of innovator.
- Chien-Yu Lin
Keith nailed US vs UK news. Local vs International
- clive boulton
agreed
- studentforce
also takes me too much time; too many clicks to make it happen
- studentforce
speaking of context and location, did you guys see the new chipset being released by Qualcomm? micro-location-based services chip set MicroLBS
- Charlie Isaacs
yes. Apple's beginning to look like a steady eddy (stocks down 20-25 pct)
- clive boulton
Kevin...if you take me than yes, you should be going to Le Web
- Tina Chase Gillmor
hashtag aggregation? Like we did at technorati in 2005?
- Kevin Marks
includes G+
- Brian Hendrickson
75% of phones, though fewer web browsing people than iOS
- Kevin Marks
the problem though with the Android market is that there are SO MANY choices for hardware that people gravitate to iphone and IOS
- studentforce
Google's innovation reputation rests on Glass. Many of the other things are just their one-up versions of things that exist. Glass is El Dorado: its the aspirational product that people are geeked about, but right now, sizzle >>>>>steak.
- Chien-Yu Lin
LOL!
- Jerome Hughes
When will just.me be released Keith
- Moe Glitz
i thought it looked like 'SURFACE'
- studentforce
using iPad mini over the Nexus 7
- Kevin Marks
?
- Kevin Marks
Google doesn't need Facebook data. Most of the "likes" people claim cannot be significantly monetized. There's a higher conversion rate if I know you are searching for something now (Google) than knowing that you like something without search data (Facebook).
- Chien-Yu Lin
WHY
- studentforce
Steve, can you show us your daughter's new iPad mini again?
- Charlie Isaacs
why will the iPad MINI be the standard ?
- studentforce
remember when the 3rd iPod expanded everyone's idea of what iPod was?
- Jerome Hughes
Did Keith say "brandwich?" Even if he didn't, that's a great name for ... *something*.
- Amyloo
Charlie... not funny. Ella does NOT get that device....yet ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
oh, I meant Tina's new iPad Mini :)
- Charlie Isaacs
cue Robert on Waze crowdsourced routing?
- Jerome Hughes
Charlie... much better!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
When will Just.me be released Keith
- Moe Glitz
brandwich - when a branded software solution is married to branded hardware
- Keith Teare
Google has Glass. Microsoft the Surface. Salesforce the headphones!
- clive boulton
@keith, yes that works
- Amyloo
iPad Mini is worse than nexus 7
- Kevin Marks
It fits in a Dr's lab coat
- Charlie Isaacs
Bingo Charlie!
- Alex de Soto
What Charlie said .... DOCTORS will pick this up BIG TIME
- studentforce
if you care about it enough, you'll carry it along
- Jerome Hughes
Imagine having a phone that let's you change the battery. It amazes me what apple users tolerate.
- Murray Macdonald
I can't live without my Mophie pack
- Charlie Isaacs
Salesforce Stingray http://youtu.be/jotnWt5GM08
- clive boulton
iPad MINI will catapult use in Health Care
- studentforce
monoprice has 'em way cheaper
- Jerome Hughes
"Docs prescribe iPad Mini – a perfect lab coat fit" http://www.macworld.com.au/news...
- Charlie Isaacs
ScottEVest... send us something!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
from the land of sky blue waters
- Jerome Hughes
I have a retina ipad and a nexus7.
- Murray Macdonald
Oh no, STEVE's gonna blow
- Tina Chase Gillmor
now I know why Scoble filters me out, wow, 193 new notifications :)
- Charlie Isaacs
Notifications on any OS suck if the application posts a crap message.
- Murray Macdonald
ScottEVest 7.0 now has 23 pockets! http://on.ft.com/Pe7jBO
- clive boulton
iOS users are the new AOL users.
- Murray Macdonald
Steve is dead wrong about Android notifications. They are awesome. They include Google Now info!
- Kevin Bryan
I filter scoble out for that reason
- Kevin Marks
:)
- Charlie Isaacs
Well, you have to be rich to live the Apple way ...
- Johannes Siemers
Develop on HTML5 first. Ouch, did I just say that.
- Charlie Isaacs
How many "tablet-optimized" apps does Google have?
- Alex de Soto
html5 first, then tune per platform
- Kevin Marks
iOS people do more. I believe that.
- Tina Chase Gillmor
taking action matters
- Jerome Hughes
more iOS tablets is significant, differnt usage pattern
- Kevin Marks
When you say "ebay", are you talking about their traditional auction or the more retail type venture? This makes a difference.
- Chien-Yu Lin
users are migrating.
- Murray Macdonald
but some of us have todo the USA Today crossword puzzles instead of the NYT, she said sadly
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Apple used to punish developers that released android first, ranking them low in the app store.
- Murray Macdonald
and 98% of those people who CANT drive come from NJ
- studentforce
Murray: no, new users are going Android because of price.
- Robert Scoble
Developers hate both platforms for different reasons.
- Murray Macdonald
After buying a ton of iOS apps, how many people are willing to buy them all over again on Android?
- Alex de Soto
4.2 not showing up yet: http://developer.android.com/about...
- Kevin Marks
Murray: they tell me they are hating iOS less.
- Robert Scoble
Kevin: I got it this morning.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: It depends who you talk to...
- Murray Macdonald
The gap is closing. That's why Apple is starting to have to add additional content in their iTunes store to promote the music experience because those who view music as a commodity are purchasing through Amazon. Its Target vs. Wal-Mart: pay slightly more for higher style, better lighting, cleaner environment.
- Chien-Yu Lin
ICS now at 25%, jelly bean still 2.7%
- Kevin Marks
Android lets developers do things iOS won't allow.
- Murray Macdonald
The gap is definitely closing.
- Robert Scoble
Are there any success stories of companies launching on Android first? Besides Google (duh)?
- Evan Prodromou
no
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Android mail works great with Exchange.
- Murray Macdonald
Until Android fixes its security problems, no one is going to touch Android for enterprise. It's iOS all the way. Once they fix those problems, though, watch out!
- Kevin Bryan
Amazon and Nook, Evan?
- Kevin Marks
No problem with Exchange services (mail and calendar) on my iOS devices.
- Alex de Soto
The execs and sales have iPads. The rest still have (windoz) laptops.
- clive boulton
whatever ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
ironically iOS doesn't have the security issues opened up by Android because they are so "closed"
- Charlie Isaacs
danny has one
- Jerome Hughes
BYOD will be browser based, not OS dependent. JSON is the new firewall.
- Murray Macdonald
"Windows got fired" .... @SteveGillmor
- studentforce
for all its advantages, it's still tough to get some to many docs
- Jerome Hughes
@kevinmarks I meant for software developers.
- Evan Prodromou
many -> use
- Jerome Hughes
The issue is that Microsoft doesn't have to innovate. Its good vs. good enough. Companies do not get paid on being innovation adopters. They get paid on execution (which at its long tail is risk aversion - that's why so many companies still run XP: 99.99% of the bugs are known). Most people do not need a better version of PowerPoint, Excel, Word. Hell - most people don't even use Visio.
- Chien-Yu Lin
Real browsers support WebGL. The problem is apple is restricting it, only for iAds
- Murray Macdonald
lets start talking about textbooks - please
- studentforce
i'm ready!
- studentforce
Microsoft isn't stupid. They'll release the basic Office suite for Android and iOS too.
- Alex de Soto
WebGL makes amazing experiences...
- Murray Macdonald
Until they let porn applications into the App Store or Google Play, moblie browser interface is going to continue to play a huge role.
- Evan Prodromou
Thanks for the shout-out Robert but that wasn't me :)
- Charlie Isaacs
epub is plenty good for textbooks
- Kevin Marks
"That charlieisaacs guy is a real idiot" that part was correct Robert :)
- Charlie Isaacs
apple does that
- Jerome Hughes
bottom line - its all gonna be about the fucking content
- studentforce
If Google had a robust word processor, spreadsheet business would gladly move over and not look back
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Go to AdDevCon in two weeks, and you'll be singing a different tune.
- Murray Macdonald
Google docs has been more reobust than word for me
- Kevin Marks
Its the yellow jersey (Apple) being run down by the peloton (Android) - and the peloton is catching up by learning from one another and shear volume.
- Chien-Yu Lin
Apple 'someone yelled Fire' http://finance.yahoo.com/news...
- clive boulton
done already. hate using MS Word, Excel, PPT and haven't used email from MS (Outlook) for 4 years
- studentforce
Where will the Google Glass project fit into this use case/product/pricing line up?
- Alex de Soto
Apple doesn't allow P2P. Android has Wifi Direct. Android allows me to replace system functions like the camera, keyboard, etc...
- Murray Macdonald
I'd be fired if I tried to stop using Excel.
- Amyloo
yellow jersey mostly guarded in peloton
- Jerome Hughes
OpenGarden was really handy in vegas last wweek
- Kevin Marks
Scoble's kid is four, mind you
- Tina Chase Gillmor
iOS doesn't even have an open Text to Speech API yet... Siri talks, the system talks, but your apps can't talk...
- Murray Macdonald
HTML5 isn't a solution for users: It's a solution for developers. They need a back door so they don't get trapped by walled gardens.
- Kevin Bryan
That's what Facebook is doing now by bringing profiles, search (via Bing) and non-music online retail - for Apple.
- Chien-Yu Lin
Murray, try Nuance
- Charlie Isaacs
Google wins because it will be all about data.
- Murray Macdonald
Kevin Bryan: exactly.
- Robert Scoble
Murray: exactly. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Microsoft is the biggest threat to the competitor in the "work" space. They can't be a threat to the "play" space where they are now.
- Chien-Yu Lin
Charlie: I want a system API, not a product. Android ships with a standard Text2Speech API. Apple hides theirs.
- Murray Macdonald
Anyone who moves from consumer to steal enterprise market share is a threat to Microsoft, so both Google and Apple are threats to MS in different ways.
- Kevin Bryan
Kevin Bryan: Well said.
- Murray Macdonald
Murray is right. Google, Facebook and Amazon run everywhere. They have most of the user data.
- Alex de Soto
Nuance owns the market, nothing else comes close, if you want quality you need to go with the best. I am skeptical that Android, MS, or Apple will ever keep up
- Charlie Isaacs
inconvenience taxes … and apple has the majority of the spending class
- Jerome Hughes
the google speech recognition is getting very good (from my biased uk english pov)
- Kevin Marks
It's just a browser. Most facebook users use the WebUI not the native apps.
- Murray Macdonald
yeah but it became sinofsky's problem
- studentforce
agree kevin it got the gApp promoted to screen1 of my 4s
- Jerome Hughes
google's speech recognition and synthesis are open to developers. Apple's aren't.
- Murray Macdonald
no way .... surface looks/feels sophomoric
- studentforce
spelling ??
- studentforce
and they had to create a second operating system
- studentforce
it's corporate budget buy a few to see good
- Jerome Hughes
Microsoft hurts Dell if migration from laptop / desktop to tablet continues; RIM / Blackberry from the phone side.
- Chien-Yu Lin
If?
- Murray Macdonald
Is Windows 8 really ready for JavaScript HTML apps (needs 2 more versions?)
- clive boulton
Google. Because they have devices, OS, and content.
- Murray Macdonald
Google is stealing enterprise low-end from MS and Apple is stealing the high end of enterprise. How does MS answer in the consumer world? It won't.
- Kevin Bryan
Yeah! What Kevin Marks said.
- Alex de Soto
by all re[ports the surface machiens and the win 8 desktops run html5 well
- Kevin Marks
This is a really great GG, wow
- Charlie Isaacs
will they get into hands in sufficient quantities?
- Jerome Hughes
Charlie Isaacs: I agree.
- Kevin Bryan
Windows8 is the only one of the three platforms allow you to create JavaScript native apps.
- Murray Macdonald
Google has the content and the cloud.
- Murray Macdonald
phonegap makes that moot
- Kevin Marks
phonegap has it's limitations. I develop for it every day.
- Murray Macdonald
The thing that blew me away the most today in the tech news: Activision sold $500,000,000 in Call of Duty on its first day.
- Charlie Isaacs
It's great, but it feels clunky. Slow refreshes.
- Murray Macdonald
yes, it is limited, but is the win8 packagign better?
- Kevin Marks
phonegap is aptly named, stopgap until you get native
- Charlie Isaacs
probably, eventually, it's all in the timing
- Jerome Hughes
RIM stock is soaring today, Apple is down, BTW :) opposite day
- Charlie Isaacs
Phonegap supports blackberry. It's actually a good development platform. Just no native apps.
- Murray Macdonald
Excellent show! Have a great Thanksgiving.
- Alex de Soto
Or users.
- Murray Macdonald
Lenovo is doing pretty well selling Windows gear
- Da
that was a great show, good discussion in chat room too :)
- Charlie Isaacs
Ballmer on Wedesday indicated M$FT will double down on Devices and Enterprise. http://www.citeworld.com/busines...
- clive boulton
Thank you all. Good seeing you in NYC Steve
- studentforce
Thanks for joining us!
- Robert Scoble
thanks all.
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Will be in London on Sunday!
- Robert Scoble
Another great show.
- Chien-Yu Lin
Thanks guys!
- Murray Macdonald
charlie +2.058, 0.39% ?
- Jerome Hughes
As we mute the show Kevin announces that his dog ate his track pad! LOL
- Tina Chase Gillmor
@Murray Good point. Native only on W8
- clive boulton
Jerome, I don't know about your Apple stock but mine has dropped from 700 in Sep to about 525 today :)
- Charlie Isaacs
if only I had Apple stock......(dreaming)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Look for it to be lowest at $504.
- Chien-Yu Lin
Tina, my wife needs a track pad, she keeps lifting her mouse and swearing at it; and you can buy Apple stock at at 30% discount today from September :)
- Charlie Isaacs
I sold my Apple stock at $10 in 2003
- Kevin Marks
yeah
- Kevin Marks
I bought some when Gates invested but then blew it out too soon :(
- Charlie Isaacs
charlie mine has risen from 93
- Jerome Hughes
good for you Jerome, wow -- hey g2g, great talking to everyone; nice job Tina & Gang
- Charlie Isaacs
it's a good thing - bigger amazement… having sold what little was earned as 12545 shortly in '89/'90 for ~3k, considering what it would be worth these daze!
- Jerome Hughes