Gillmor Gang recording live 2:15PM Pacific

on Gillmor Gang live at 2pm - Kevin Marks

I'm hanging by, this is being delayed by some technical difficulties. - Robert Scoble

We are about to start. - Robert Scoble

Is the sound working, or is it just me? - Matt M (inactive)

I guess the ads are working, just not Gillmor's mic :) - Matt M (inactive)

Relax, Steve - it's all good :) - Rob La Gesse

There we go.. heard something - Matt M (inactive)

Kick that wire again. - Rob La Gesse

nice loud typing - Jerry Schuman

It's working now. Hearing the behind-the-scenes talking :) - Matt M (inactive)

Mic is live, Steve - Rob La Gesse

Hang out a second. - Robert Scoble

Early F-Bomb FTW! - Rob La Gesse

Gillmor Gang Recording Live w/ Scoble, Keen, Rivera, Marks - http://building43.com/realtime - Cliff Gerrish

This is shaping up to be a good one. - Matt M (inactive)

Hey Kev, when are we getting block on calls? - Jerry Schuman

OK, I actually installed Ribbit on my iPhone -- I hope to heck it works. - Cliff Gerrish

Judy: he's reacting to a jerk on the Internet. It's not professional, but well placed. - Robert Scoble

25/25 here.. FIOS is sweet - Jerry Schuman

I'm jealous! - Robert Scoble

what the heck you jealous about.. you're the one living in Half Moon Bay - Jerry Schuman

10/5 here over Coax - it's often enough, and never enough! - Rob La Gesse

Jerry: I'd rather have bandwidth! - Robert Scoble

Rob, you going to CES? - Jerry Schuman

Jerry - Scoble and I were just discussing that a couple hours ago. Not sure yet. - Rob La Gesse

I ♥ the Gillmor Gang - Gabe Rivera

ok...guess i hit the wrong link. - Karoli

Well add me to the drinking buddies list if you do. I'll be demoing in a suite not at convention center. - Jerry Schuman

OK, we got keen and kevin back - Cliff Gerrish

No we realize you'll eventually go from exaltation to bashing of every system out there, Robert.. - Ken Sheppardson

Friendfeed? What's this friendfeed of which you speak? - Ron Schott

@Jerry - definitely! - Rob La Gesse

heheh. - Robert Scoble

Ken: today it's even slower than usual. Looks like only 14 people here now. - Robert Scoble

I think everyone is out doing Christmas shopping. - Robert Scoble

The new OAuth is great. Amusing that it really needed the change, but it wouldn't have been possible to do in the beginning. - Matt M (inactive)

For GG, Robert? Was there any notice of the show happening today at 2:15 vs Thu at 1? - Ken Sheppardson

In may make OAuth usable in the enterprise... - Cliff Gerrish

Ken: if there were any people here or even on Twitter they would be here no matter how much notice there was given. - Robert Scoble

kshep - no, we had a power outage today -- so we had to do a lot of studio check out before the show. - Cliff Gerrish

Dave Winer's view on protocol evolution is pretty warped. - Matt M (inactive)

Everything is very slow today. - Robert Scoble

Robert, make that 15 people :) - Mike Doeff

I don't think Dave believes in evolution. - Cliff Gerrish

Alright, it's getting crowded in here! :-) - Robert Scoble

Cliff, exactly. Unless he wants to re-specify part of a self-frozen spec himself, of course. - Matt M (inactive)

Oddly enough, I haven't given Andrew a thought since the last time he was on the show either... - Ken Sheppardson

Agree with Andrew. Love Echofon - Karoli

I hacked up http://friendlierfeed.appspot.com on the friendfeed API - Kevin Marks

Moved off Nambu to latest beta of Socialite... actually liking it. - Jerry Schuman

Robert, I just keep badges on. not popups or sounds. - Karoli

"I don;t care what anyone says unless they mention me" - classic :) - Rob La Gesse

Who is this Andrew guy? - Matt M (inactive)

Matt: http://andrewkeen.typepad.com - Ken Sheppardson

Thanks... I didn't catch his name at the start - Matt M (inactive)

Love my Kindle, giving daughter the Nook. - Karoli

hey everybody! :) - Susan Beebe

5 bucks... considering that's the cost of PPV movies... and you get them for 24 hours - Jerry Schuman

I paid $10 for an app. An essential ToDo app. - Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)

Tweetie 2.0 is $5. Very disappointing. - Karoli

Steve has the KILLER studio rig. Whoa! - Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)

What is friendlier feed? - Matt Terenzio

JooJoo killer :) - Mike Doeff

mine goes for 2 wks without wireless. - Karoli

I'll buy an Apple Tablet as soon as they will let me. - Rob La Gesse

I'm torn between my love for paper books and things electronic. Paper books still winning for me. - Matt M (inactive)

http://friendlierfeed.appspot.com/ is friendfeed with nicer HTML - bigger faces, black text, microformats - Kevin Marks

Matt - looks like it has #microformats - Susan Beebe

Kevin - looks good! :) - Susan Beebe

A hacked NOOK.. that's the ticket - Jerry Schuman

I'd love a rooted nook. - Matt M (inactive)

ooh that would be cool - Susan Beebe

Apparently you just need to open it and reflash the Micro-SD. - Matt M (inactive)

The hardware specs on the Nook should be providing better performance - I think a Firmware update will correct most of the release issues - Rob La Gesse

What about the e-ink screen on the Nook? Can it meet the Kindle with its specs? - Matt M (inactive)

I want a Apple tablet - Jerry Schuman

e-books are too expensive to have more than one open at a time on my desk, or lose one on the train - both easily done with paper books - Barbariccia

Is that National Geographic HDD in HTML or proprietary format? - Matt M (inactive)

NG HDD is a neat idea - Susan Beebe

Proprietary unfortunately. - Robert Scoble

Crappy. Maybe we can liberate it with some reverse engineering. Liberate for freedom, not piracy that is :) - Matt M (inactive)

bummer - Susan Beebe

Kindle app on iPhone is cool - Susan Beebe

Kindle on iphone is good enough in a tight spot but not comfortable - Barbariccia

I didn't think so either till I got one. I email my PDFs etc there too. It's awesome. - Karoli

I read Gods of Mars on my iPhone... worked well - Jerry Schuman

I've used the iPhone one a few times... works well for travel. - Matt M (inactive)

I read the free "Red Mars" book on iPhone kindle, then bought the paper books for the trilogy in a store - Matt M (inactive)

I read @paulcarr's book on my Droid this weekend in HTML - Kevin Marks

Didn't know Kindle rendered web pages / browser... product advertising fail - Susan Beebe

H+ magazine is a good example of a progressive publication. They started out as a PDF form of the paper magazine, but quickly morphed to a rich experience after everyone complained. - Matt M (inactive)

I love using Google's FastFlip on my iPhone. Not a bad magazine interface - Jerry Schuman

yep, that is cool - Susan Beebe

"Footnotes are very pedestrian" How punny! - Ron Schott

Susan, the web browser on Kindle is still in beta. - Karoli

oooh thanks! - Susan Beebe

hahah Scoble's bored! LOL - Susan Beebe

I don't think that rich, wild layout format works on the web or on a tablet. - Matt M (inactive)

now Scobles holds up Kindle hoping we won't notice him looking at that "Make" magazine! - Susan Beebe

Books in print and books on screens will coexist. - Cliff Gerrish

Agreed - most users still consume content in both mediums - Susan Beebe

Eventually paper books will start to decline, but it'll be after we force the publishers to remove DRM on the books and let us transport them across machines. - Matt M (inactive)

plus they're offloading their operational costs for the amazon mp3 store via AWS. A nice flat TCO - Jerry Schuman

Legacy Tech -> Early Piracy -> Highly Controlled Tech -> High-Fidelity Piracy -> Openness - Matt M (inactive)

I want the audio version included when I buy a digital book - let me move from audio to digital, depending on what I am currently doing. And keep me in the right place between the two. - Rob La Gesse

MG's article on TechCrunch --> http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... - Susan Beebe

TVO.org has a nice debate on the future of reading (incl. Bill Buxton of MSFT) - http://tinyurl.com/y85qvzp - Cliff Gerrish

three screens and a cloud... - Cliff Gerrish

Rob - me too! I buy paper, Amazon electronic format and audio. Would love to have these tie into my iPhone more - Susan Beebe

YouTube is king of video - Susan Beebe

Think you'll see some interesting stuff at CES regarding this.. The strategic partner I'm working with is going to be demoing some pretty cool stuff regarding playing content across devices. - Jerry Schuman

I want all my media (audio/video/books/docs/mail) on a server at home, backed up to a cloud and synced to a personal device. Everything available, all the time. - Matt M (inactive)

Matt, bingo - Jerry Schuman

Cloud -- iPhone mobile is just fine for me :) - Susan Beebe

i clicked on a youtube video today and it wouldn't work on my iphone. i pouted. - Karoli

Yeah, you sorta expect every YouTube video to work on an iphone. Not always true. - Cliff Gerrish

no way! strange! - Susan Beebe

youtube videos, no problem on skyfire browser - Tim Jones

Scoble's camera is bigger than yours. - Cliff Gerrish

do we really need go there, Christopher? - Tim Jones

Twitter birddog for FriendFeed, I believe. Up to 400,000 user tracks. - Matt M (inactive)

qik will be great on netbooks or tablets - but then again those also will have ustream access - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Gabe is wrong - personalized content streams are going to be with us in the first quarter of next year - Nick Halstead

Twitter is a personalized content stream... - Cliff Gerrish

have a look at http://tunein.com as a personal techmeme - Kevin Marks

The beginnings of automatic personalized content streams are already here (lazyfeed, etc). TechMeme better step up quick. - Matt M (inactive)

wee smirch? what was that Steve? - Susan Beebe

tweetmeme love that app! - Susan Beebe

WeSmirch -- Techmeme for celebrity gossip. - Cliff Gerrish

oooh thanks Cliff... I am soooooooooo out of that circle :D - Susan Beebe

8 million people visit it every month Gabe - Nick Halstead

Susan, it's also run by Gabe. - Cliff Gerrish

tweetmeme is valuable for TRENDING topics on twitter (RT functionality) - Susan Beebe

oooh didn't know that - Susan Beebe

wrong, wrong, wrong - our button supplies less than 5% of our traffic - Nick Halstead

Ah, so when Gabe asked "what's tweetmeme" he was being facetious? - Ken Sheppardson

@Ken, yes - lol - Nick Halstead

Ken - haha same reaction i had...doh! - Susan Beebe

Could Techmeme function if I had a personal filter that allow me to choose which sources I cared about? - Ken Sheppardson

yahoo portal pages are the goto source for non-techs who love reading the celebrity news - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

http://livingstories.googlelabs.com/ <-- interesting experiment by google in evolving stories. - Matt M (inactive)

Ken - great idea! You can check out topics, not sure about filtering sources - Susan Beebe

Ken: no. On Techmeme they choose the sources and you have no control. - Robert Scoble

I'm not talking about Techmeme, per se, I'm talking about a service that presented data and stories in the same way, but selected only from among the sources I specified - Ken Sheppardson

FriendFeed :) - Susan Beebe

we already have personalised channels -> iphone.tweetmeme.com all that will change is that others can make them next year - Nick Halstead

sorry - link http://iphone.tweetmeme.com - Nick Halstead

where is the chat room for this show? is this it? - kosso

Nick - cool :) - Susan Beebe

Kosso: this is it. - Robert Scoble

I wonder if Gabe reads WeSmirch - Cliff Gerrish

kosso - yes :) - Susan Beebe

@kosso bingo :) - Nick Halstead

kosso - yes, this is the main chat area - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

thanks ;) - kosso

i found it interesting that Gabe asked what Tweetmeme was, then went on to explain some things about it - kosso

@kosso lol - Nick Halstead

there needs to be an understanding between sites that do automated/rules curation and sites that do human editorial curation - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

reads tweets in Google Reader - Tim Jones

we have over a million people reading Technology category -> http://tweetmeme.com/categor... ignore that Gabe - Nick Halstead

Tim, you read in Google Reader? how interesting... - Karoli

Nick LOL :D - Susan Beebe

also, earlier Steve said that USteam had overtaken Qik on the iPhone. The thing is, is that Qik was the first to offer live video on the (jailbroken) iPhone. Apple have hamstrung Qik - very unfair. Though the quality of UStream is indeed excellent. Best thing about UStream is that you can record as well as broadcast live - from the desktop or mobile - kosso

The top story on TweetMeme is NSFW, btw :) - Matt M (inactive)

Oh geesh!! too funny - Susan Beebe

Where are TechMeme's readership stats? In a form we can verify? - Ken Sheppardson

gabe should release TechMeme's reader numbers in a verifiable way - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

yup, works for me. also for stuff not in twitter, blog posts, etc. it's all goes to my Google Reader - Tim Jones

We have 100,000 websites using our button - thats 100,000 sources of realtime information - how can Gave just ignore that? - Nick Halstead

I don't quite understand Gabe's critique... other than the fact that he runs Techmeme and Tweetmeme isn't it. - Ken Sheppardson

we serve 180 million buttons a day - if compete showed those results we would be the biggest site in the world!!! - Nick Halstead

WOW - Susan Beebe

I will email robert our real google analytics now - if he wants them - Nick Halstead

I use tweetmeme button on my blog too, does help get more uniques! - Susan Beebe

Nick, you should output iframes instead of images with your JS. I think some of those toolbars count those frames as impressions. - Matt M (inactive)

Gabe sounds very _very_ defensive. Think he should loosen up a bit. - Josiah Kiehl

Scoble - tell Steve I want to be on the show next time round - so I can fight my corner here - he is talking complete rubbish - Nick Halstead

Scoble, can Gillmor call Nick and add him in over Skype? - Matt M (inactive)

Nick should definitely be on GG next! - Susan Beebe

i do agree with Gabe actually. Though Tweetmeme has a lot of button installs (congrats Nick) I think the stats are simply hits on the Javascript - not to the site itself. I could be wrong. ;p - kosso

I can be on Skype Scoble - Nick Halstead

Steve - ADD Nick to this show!! - Susan Beebe

Nick: It doesn't typically work that way... there's no attempt to be fair/balanced... ;-) - Ken Sheppardson

Yeah. Gabe missed SpaceShip One as well. - Rob La Gesse

Nick said otherwise, Kosso. ;) - Josiah Kiehl

Are we going to get to the Google Openness Manifesto soon? - Ron Schott

Nick: is Tweetmeme editorialised in any way? Or is it simply weighted on the number of clicks on the retweet buttons? [out of interest] - kosso

hahah! Microsoft missed that the internet is important - OMG that is epic - Susan Beebe

just one last funny comment on Gabe saying he doesnt know what TweetMeme is: the first time I met him in SF he said 'When are you going to rename your service' - at which point I just laughed - Nick Halstead

Nick - he's just jealous :P - Susan Beebe

Microsoft is monolithicly slow, cause they're monolithicly sized. - Josiah Kiehl

Settle down people, I wanted to Scoble to define Tweetmeme. I didn't say that I hadn't heard of it. I think it's important to define what he means by Tweememe because there are 2 faces to the service: 1. button provider , 2. link aggregator - Gabe Rivera

@kosso the ranking is based upon 3 elements, score, velocity + age - score is based upon about 10 factors, but a lot made up of the authority of each twitter user who tweets the link - Nick Halstead

@nick ta ;) - kosso

You don't have to choose between slow and massive. - Matt M (inactive)

@gabe please dont try and speak for our service - you know nothing about our stats - the button is a tiny % of our traffic for the main site - just because TC say something doesnt make it true - Nick Halstead

You do have to be specifically focused on NOT being slow if you are massive. This is why startups have a chance: they're naturally more agile. - Josiah Kiehl

"The Road Ahead" was 1995, right? Would be interesting to read it again today. - Ken Sheppardson

Microsoft as a group 'noticed' the internet in '95: http://www.usdoj.gov/atr... - Matt M (inactive)

compete.com is actually also completely and utterly wrong - quantcast is the only site with semi-accurate data for us - http://www.quantcast.com/tweetme... - Nick Halstead

TechMeme really is excellent imho. It's my primary source of tech news/memes multiple times a day - kosso

Silverlight is "open"? - Josiah Kiehl

Silverlight is not open. - Matt M (inactive)

Since when? - Josiah Kiehl

so impressed with the picture and quality of the broadcast, Steve/Cliff. Gotta run now...happy holidays to you all. - Karoli

hard to turn ship, but best thing is that MS could do is sell more Windows that more people use to get to Google - Tim Jones

Silverlight is the exact definition of closed. - Matt M (inactive)

Google has a lot of Microsoft DNA in it these days... - Cliff Gerrish

There is a difference between "GNU Open" and "Google Open".... but Silverlight is CLEARLY neither. - Josiah Kiehl

See ya Karoli... - Cliff Gerrish

+1 Josiah - Matt M (inactive)

Karoli - Happy Holidays to you too! ;) - Susan Beebe

I think the difference is that Google's revenue increases when the web is more open. Microsoft's decreases. It's how the companies are set up. - Josiah Kiehl

a friend's 15 yr old kid bought a netbook from money earned from babysitting job- more people getting on net - Tim Jones

If you want to compare Microsoft, consider some of these products: Flash (closed, private development), Silverlight (closed source, private development), Windows (closed source, private development), Chrome OS (open source), Chrome Browser (open source), Google Web Toolkit (open source). - Matt M (inactive)

The TechCrunch article about how Android is going after Windows Mobile rather than iPhone made a lot of sense. - Josiah Kiehl

Mobile is where M$ needs to focus to get back in the game - Susan Beebe

A friend of mine works on the WinMo team. He told me they recently ported IE6 to WinMo. THAT's a step forward, eh? eh? - Josiah Kiehl

Chrome browser been on Windows since Sept 08. Zune UI on WinMo 7 would be great - Tim Jones

Microsoft is a few years behind on mobile. The focus on back-compat hobbles them. They can't release a WinMo that breaks 10 year-old-apps, but Apple can break compat from year to year. - Matt M (inactive)

What did the carriers do? - Josiah Kiehl

As M$ declines further into history, they will find it more challenging to woo high end staffing resources - Susan Beebe

Outside of Xbox, what's exciting out of Microsoft? - Matt M (inactive)

It's important that everyone ignore what's new out of Microsoft. - Cliff Gerrish

That way it'll be a surprise. - Cliff Gerrish

A twitter? - Josiah Kiehl

email? - Tim Jones

@gaberivera? - Josiah Kiehl

http://twitter.com/gaberivera - Susan Beebe

Microsoft's Windows 7 is quite good. I'm using it here. - Robert Scoble

But is it exciting? - Matt M (inactive)

Robert - on your netbook? What model is that? - Susan Beebe

Robert, keep it quiet. - Cliff Gerrish

@Robert : is "quite good" enough? ;) - kosso

The real question for Google is how can they sustain their openness when Doc Searls disrupts the advertising model. - Ron Schott

CNBC is actually having a news special on iPhone apps. - Cliff Gerrish

I run Windows 7 on my 27" iMac - primarily so I can use Windows LiveWriter and Outlook. - Rob La Gesse

cool. i am seriously thinking of formatting one of my laptops with Win7 - Susan Beebe

I'm going to get a copy of Win7 for my Mac too. I already do silverlight develop that way. - Cliff Gerrish

I still run Windows, but it's in a VM for a handful of apps and testing. The total number of non-web apps I interact with is pretty low. - Matt M (inactive)

Windows 7 surprised me. It's actually a worthwhile OS, from a usability point of view. I actually took some of Win7s features and configured my Ubuntu install to behave similarly. - Josiah Kiehl

Andoid baby! - Tim Jones

Android is the one to watch ! (my iPhone is jealous now) - Susan Beebe

I still love my G1.. just can't wait to get more space for applications. Need to do the apps2sd thing, I guess. - Josiah Kiehl

I want Droid in 2010 in the UK! - Nick Halstead

Scoble - what netbook do you have? - Susan Beebe

I haven't had to boot(camp) in to Windows for over a month now. This is the longest in my pc-based career ever I haven't need it. I feel overwhelmingly *safer* ;) - No trojans etc ;) - kosso

Did all of you get the news... "BREAKING – Microsoft slapped hard by court: Can’t sell Word" http://friendfeed.com/robdian... - Micah

Thanks Gillmore Gang! :) - Susan Beebe

Entertaining as always, thanks. - Matt M (inactive)

I don't have one right now. I don't like them that much. - Robert Scoble

@Nick you can get the 'MileStone' now. - kosso

Micah - yep, crazy huh! - Susan Beebe

Just check'n. Thanks, Susan. - Micah

Scoble - netbook - too small ? - Susan Beebe

I'd rather just use an iPhone. - Robert Scoble

Micah - yeah. They have to retool part of the Office release before they can continue selling it. The docx load/save functionality is infringing, which is a big part of the new format. - Matt M (inactive)

yeah, I saw that. The XML feature is "little used"? I thought docx _was_ xml. - Josiah Kiehl

haha gotcha. I'd get a netbook if it could support the high resolution on my new 23" Dell monitor - Susan Beebe

Josiah: docx is xml. - Robert Scoble

desktop > netbook >mobile phone - Tim Jones

I use my iPhone more than ANY other computer - Susan Beebe

well... Microsoft said the XML feature is little used. See here: http://www.reuters.com/article... - Josiah Kiehl

mobile phone screen too small - Tim Jones

i'm such an edge case for smart phones - the screens are just way too small. that's why i'm looking for a tablet that I can use as a remote view onto my servers - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Yes, that does suck. My old BB handled multiple apps just fine - Susan Beebe

I think that's got to be spin. The patent is basically on how you serialize a document on the screen to XML. Unless they've got a way to sidestep some of the claims, it'll be a big job. - Matt M (inactive)

Hence Android > iPhone OS. :) Apps like Locale, however, are the reasons I have an Android phone. - Josiah Kiehl

my iPhone is my 'communicator', 'informer', 'connector' and 'entertainer'. It just works. I've never had a phone that I use for more things other than phone calls - ever. - kosso

I just noticed loren feldman managed to slam the GG and scoble while dumping on the praise for calcanis http://bit.ly/7ckTYz - Paul E. Ester

phone for quick info, but for moving around the screen alot on the go, whips out netbook - Tim Jones

Thanks everybody, great show. - Cliff Gerrish

indeed - Paul E. Ester

I still have a hard time engaging in conversation on the phone, as much as I use it. I'll usually save a big reply for the desktop when I'm at home. - Matt M (inactive)

Kevin Marks is getting huge! Easy mate. - Paul E. Ester

@christopher : iteration should certainly be faster. I *like* my HTC Hero, but I *love* my iPhone. And before I had one (iPhone), I never thought I'd ever say that. - kosso

lol @ the best twitter account from Paul's link above: http://twitter.com/common_... - Josiah Kiehl

+1 Christopher... I just want to dump media on it sometimes and I skip it because it's too much of a pain to go through the iTunes gateway - Matt M (inactive)

@christopher I agree with that. I can't stand itunes. but I really do admire how utterly simple Apple have made it to spend money in their ecosystem. Far easier than Google. - kosso

Want DoubleTwist to work desperately: http://www.doubletwist.com/dt..., but never seems to... - Matt M (inactive)

off now to continue building my hybrid iPhone/Android apps ... cheers all! ;) - kosso

Here is a shoutout for the amazing tricaster wish I could afford it! - Paul E. Ester

you go Apple if you have money to burn, but fo' da rest of us 90% folks, well.. - Tim Jones

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