GillmorGang Recording Session, 1pm Pacific

Now who'll start the Buzz version of the in-show chat? :) - Matt M (inactive)

Friendfeed is a little slow today -- so the chat may be a little challenging. - Cliff Gerrish

Anyone know who's on the show today? - Kevin Costain

The usual suspects.... - Cliff Gerrish

I'm on Gillmor Gang - Kevin Marks

mystery dog on the set! ;) - Susan Beebe

GillmorGang Recording Now w/ Edo Segal, Kevin Marks, Scoble, Andrew Keen at http://building43.com/realtime - Cliff Gerrish

yay we're recording this one! :-) - Moobie

Loic said Bill Gates released fireflies this year. - Matt M (inactive)

Robert, where is your mic? how is that so clear? - Kevin Costain

I remember hearing that Toshiba was developing Nuclear batteries fro laptops.. I wonder if that died? - Kevin Costain

The famous Jack - keeping RSS enclosures limping along... - Cliff Gerrish

RSS works fine in Youtube if you have a "Channel". - David Lloyd

so are we moving from friendfeed to buzz..... (haha) - Jamie

I use numerous RSS Feeds from youtube. - David Lloyd

you can rip a feed via chrome RSS extension :) ... i've done several YouTube feeds now in my gReader - Susan Beebe

Not for the moment. Buzz needs to settle down a little before we can consider it. - Cliff Gerrish

Yup. There are actally numerous unofficial ways and official ways. - David Lloyd

Here we go, Andrew will hate it. - David Lloyd

you cant really overlook the privacy issues - Jamie

Edo, go read this: http://fugitivus.wordpress.com/2010... - Kevin Marks

the idea that my email contacts are somehow the basis of my "social graph" is utterly ludicrous - Jamie

Buzz was turned ON for everyone, there was NO opt-in - Susan Beebe

google forced certain aspects of it by making everything default to public and on - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Google's lame statement that things could be fixed after the fact was --- insufficient. - Cliff Gerrish

@mashable has a dynamite thread of people sharing buzz use cases, feature requests, etc. http://bit.ly/96CeRE - Frank Paynter

That fugitivus article is an eye opener. - Matt M (inactive)

Buzz, in the beginning, was fairly ambiguous about privacy settings.. but Google will fix those problems.. - Kevin Costain

One thing I'm sure of is that FriendFeed is terrible for following podcasts like this. - Petteri Hiisilä

Google asked me If i wanted Buzz turned on or not when I logged in. I wasn't one of the people who got it at launch however. - David Lloyd

Google's collateral damage... - Cliff Gerrish

Is Friendfeed really slow? - David Lloyd

We have higher tolerance than typical user - Susan Beebe

The problem is not with the *people* -- it is with the developers and product managers who continuously assume that privacy is a "boring" issue - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

they did respond quickly however - Don Bonaddio

he's got you there Kevin :-) - Jamie

hehe - David Lloyd

We just wrapped TWiL and talked about Buzz a lot this week. Same prob here (among others) that Steve highlighted a long time ago re Google Reader: wrong assumptions about what your relationship is to those you email with. As Steve just said. - Denise Howell

Google should have used Orkut for the Social Graph connections and done something similar to a Facebook Connect integration into Buzz and Reader. No need to reinvent the wheel here. - Jesse Stay

Heck, give me access to my Facebook and Twitter connections as well - Jesse Stay

auto suggesting email contacts would have been fine. - Jamie

The fugitivus article is serious. Also read the comments. It seems many journalists' secret sources were exposed from their email contacts. - kosso

Jesse, cobblers - orkut has already had these features - Kevin Marks

Orkut is a dead service, Google obviously has turned their back on it - Susan Beebe

Kevin, that's fine - then cross-integrate from Orkut and improve it - Jesse Stay

orkut's thriving offshore... bazillions of brazilians - Frank Paynter

Orkut is where the Social Graph is - no need to reinvent the social graph in other places - let Orkut be the central hub for everything Social and push out/pull from there - Jesse Stay

Auto discovery is ok, but PUBLISHING it is NOT OK - Susan Beebe

Orkut's alive and well in india and brazil - Kevin Marks

That's what Facebook is doing and why they're so successful at it - Jesse Stay

Orkut is very popular outside the usa. Brazil, etc. - kosso

it wasn't just auto discovery - it was auto addition too - Jamie

Google needs the address book to be the graph. That's the only move that makes sense. - Cliff Gerrish

For me, I don't care, I have nothing to hide... lots of others have stuff they need to hide - Susan Beebe

I used to love Orkut - they just weren't fast enough in improving it or promoting it in the US, or cross-integrating it across their other products - Jesse Stay

But Susan, certainly you'd like the option to hide things. - Cliff Gerrish

There were options to edit your own following list.. see http://media.counton2.com/wcbd... - the first scree was kind of ambiguous.. - Kevin Costain

It isnt anything to do with hiding... its the assumption that the people who I email are those who I want to share content with... including my location - Jamie

It's a personal option. You join Buzz, FB or any service at free will. - Alberto Escarlate

Cliff - Yes, indeed. Buzz lacks filters and controls - Susan Beebe

Reader should have used Orkut's Social Graph when they launched sharing - Jesse Stay

Looks like Google's mistake was not to have a BETA label on Buzz - Alberto Escarlate

Steve - that was smart, I did similar - Susan Beebe

Google Contacts should have integrated with Orkut early on - Jesse Stay

Stalker :) - Susan Beebe

I wonder how many new GMail accounts were created this week due to Buzz? That's the significant part of the strategy, to move people away from Yahoo Mail, Hotmail, etc... - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

Google's entire contacts platform is a mess. - Jamie

troll as in fishing - not in the bridge dweller - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

<3 this damn show. - David Lloyd

"trawl" not "troll" - kosso

the underlying contacts platform is good, but the UX for it lags - Kevin Marks

you know us yanks can always mangle a good word :) - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Kevin, you need to get those iPhone contacts into Ribbit. - Cliff Gerrish

contacts is very rudimentary service.. not ready for enterprise CRM usage at all - Susan Beebe

it's webolutionary! - Frank Paynter

You dunt speak proper english like what we do. - David Lloyd

I think anything social from it should come from Orkut, and they should build on that - Jesse Stay

Andrew is 100% right - Jamie

Gmail contacts do NOT = social "followers". - Susan Beebe

my email contacts are very different to social networking 'follows' - kosso

Opting out still exposes your contacts - Jesse Stay

gmail was always the private view - greader was the more public view - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Do I really want my CPA in CA to be connected to my Attny in NY --- um, no. :) - Susan Beebe

trolling: " To fish in by trailing a baited line" <- Scoble's use was correct - he was fishing contacts by following Steve's line :) - Rob La Gesse

See the lady whose abusive ex-husband is now contacting her thanks to Buzz sharing her contacts with her friends, even after turning it off - Jesse Stay

buzz features the use of gmail functions but it doesn't require them... ++ Scoble, -1000 Keen - Frank Paynter

Jesse, Orkut helped inspire OpenSocial. The point is to have common standards across sites. - Kevin Marks

Every communications app will have a public and private mode. Social / Personal. - Cliff Gerrish

Robert needs to read this: http://bit.ly/ailLjh - Jesse Stay

the word is ignorant - Don Bonaddio

the common user interface with gmail is powerful - Frank Paynter

Kevin, that's fine - build open standards into Orkut, and push Orkut's standards-based social graphs out to the other products. Google keeps re-inventing the wheel on the social thing. - Jesse Stay

The worst part, by far, is how using Buzz affects other services. All of a sudden Reader has items shared by people I subscribed to on Buzz. That's not expected and not what I want at all. - Eric Florenzano

Gmail was 'beta' for a very long time. Buzz feels like it's still in 'alpha' - kosso

I still get my Twitter messages into Buzz and then, right to my inbox.That needs to be solved. - Nir Ben Yona

I don't like that my buzz items are now polluting my gmail search results - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

bear, just use filters and labels - Frank Paynter

Disable buzz then until they add more controls, Mr Bear. - David Lloyd

Search for Google, not for us yet.... - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

Risk (opportunity cost) for Buzz IS WORTH IT... heat will fizzle down - Susan Beebe

Susan - even with stuff like this?: http://bit.ly/ailLjh - it's very dangerous right now, and no opt-out - Jesse Stay

buzz will work if outbound traffic to blogs/websites works - it's why mashable has a 5000 pixel ad for following them on their site - they are hoping that they see traffic from it - if no traffic, sites wont push it - Allen Stern

Google is banking on majority of users being OK with sharing. Remember this is gmail user-base (early adopter, engineers, edgy techies). - Susan Beebe

Google just exposed all your contacts to your friends, with or without you enabling Buzz - Jesse Stay

Gmail is for power users? My dad uses it. - David Lloyd

Gmail IS NOT early adopters. My Mom uses Gmail. - Jesse Stay

gmail hasn't been for just power users for a couple of years now - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

My gmail contacts are nearly all online folks like you and I already - my "private" contacts are NOT in my gmail account, but my Google Apps for domain account :) - Susan Beebe

My Dad, a top executive at an internationally traded company, uses Gmail - Jesse Stay

+1 Jesse/David. Gmail is for everyone now. - Matt M (inactive)

to me buzz is a mess in look compared to ff - maybe its the left menu jammed on there - i haven't spent any time on buzz today - Allen Stern

Allen - agree it is messy! - Susan Beebe

My dad now risks major contacts being exposed because of Buzz. There's no way he'll use Gmail after this. - Jesse Stay

My dad, a hopeless bum, uses gmail. - David Lloyd

"nearby" tab is awesome - very informational during our Blizzard here in DC metro - Don Bonaddio

someone explain to me what this local buzz stuff is - i have an old phone - but the stuff say Louis or Robert shares has nothing to do with location. - Allen Stern

@Susan I agree that most early adopters HAVE a GMail account already however many non-techie people do have GMail these days too.. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

susan - as a tech/server guy - my truly private contacts are on my own email server - but yes, that's an edge case - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

web 'redraw' is really bad... slow (desktop) - Susan Beebe

the mobile client or the mobile web app? - Jamie

Google is implementing a Scoble filter. - Cliff Gerrish

LOL - Susan Beebe

because the UI for the Gmail integration is pretty bad. - Jamie

I definitely think Buzz is more beneficial for power users. Others are just swallowed in. - Nir Ben Yona

collapse comments - Don Bonaddio

sounds like Robert is using Buzz not for comment/conversation but as a news item source - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

This is because the design is wrong. Algorithms aren't the complete solution.... - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

+1 @ Don. and show the first couple and last comments... not 20 of them. - Jamie

I want one central place to go on Google for all my social connections. I don't want to mix and match. If you mix and match then pull from that one central place. Orkut comes to mind as what that place should be - they already have some of those privacy issues worked out. - Jesse Stay

Buzz simply shows too many comments at a time in Gmail. Shorten it pls. - Petteri Hiisilä

FF is still far superior than Buzz - Susan Beebe

exactly @Jamie - Don Bonaddio

iPad -- yes! :) - Susan Beebe

I swear it's the ruckus that Andrew causes that brings me back to this show - more so than the great conversations - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

FF won't be better than buzz a month from now. . - Kevin Costain

one for LR, DR, Kitchen - Don Bonaddio

not - Frank Paynter

Yes - David Lloyd

iPad - yes - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

yes, 2 one for me and one for mom - Jamie

iPad - Yes. - Cliff Gerrish

yes! - Alberto Escarlate

If it has multi-tasking yes. Otherwise I am unsure. - Rob La Gesse

nah - Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)

yap - Johni Fisher

I'm a developer - I buy things so I can tinker with the APIs :-) - Jesse Stay

no on iPad - beersage

not really, I'll wait for V2 - Don Bonaddio

And this live FriendFeed feed (by default) shows too few - must click to see them. Plus no threads, no context. - Petteri Hiisilä

oooh Applications! :P - Susan Beebe

Yes. For building interactive multimedia 'eMagazines' using HTML5 in book pages. Also social multimedia apps. - kosso

Hi Rob ,Jesse - Johni Fisher

I will most likely by an iPad but not sure how much I will use it yet vs a Netbook/Tablet hybrid or an eReader. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

Jesse, Contacts is meant to be that unified store, but at the moment there are multiple UI's for it - Kevin Marks

Kevin, I think the privacy elements around that should be happening in Orkut though. People know what a social network is. Contacts are generally private to most people. - Jesse Stay

Hello, Johni :) - Rob La Gesse

The medium is the massage... - Cliff Gerrish

Hey Johni! - Jesse Stay

Normal People? What's normal? - Kevin Costain

But the Android / Google Buzz issue sharing the same Contacts list is yet another issue... - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

its a GIANT iPhone :) - Susan Beebe

Nexus one has more capabilities than iPad - Don Bonaddio

Android, gmail, gtalk, docs, reader, buzz, orkut all ahve same user account model - Kevin Marks

The iPad, if it lives up to the promise, will be a win for the non-technical crowd.. - Kevin Costain

I will probably carry the iPad and the Nexus One now instead of my MacBookPro and Nexus One - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Won't Keynote be Apples Authoring Tool for Ipad Authors? - Arnie Klaus

Siri is awesome! - Susan Beebe

The iPad will be used primarly on my iCouch too.... - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

you need an iPad for that? - Don Bonaddio

Kevin, but contacts are not social connections. They can be used to build social connections, but contacts are private. Orkut should be the hub for social connections. There's a difference between a social connection and a "contact". - Jesse Stay

the iPad will be huge for doctors in hospitals - kosso

voice command is awesome with Siri app - Susan Beebe

I like the IM interface of Siri. It's a model we're going to see a lot more of... - Cliff Gerrish

I love Siri - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

Agree Jesse I wouldnt share my contacts - Johni Fisher

Siri - http://www.building43.com/videos... - Rob La Gesse

Siri will be on the iPad? - Kevin Costain

Siri means "crab" in Portuguese - Alberto Escarlate

all of these contact solutions really do need the affordances that FOAF allows - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

you need to get that through Apple via iTunes - the closed system - Don Bonaddio

meh bear, FOAF is less useful than Portable Contacts - Kevin Marks

pictures of Pizza (with ads of course!) - Susan Beebe

Looks like a great app. Name makes me think of Sirius though. - Mike Doeff

I can't get Siri on my iPod Touch - Kevin Marks

Maybe Siri will offer a Buzz interface - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

That's why Facebook uses Contacts to import people into Facebook. I can then decide which of my contacts I want in my "social network". Social Connections should build on top of contacts, but they are not contacts. A social network is what organizes those contacts into social connections (and builds more). - Jesse Stay

Voice Command works great with Windows Media Center with the right Voice Enabled Remotes! - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

Kevin - yes, Portable Contacts would have been a better choice - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

CommApps - is the future - split 2 up screen - Susan Beebe

latency will be a problem with Citrix - Don Bonaddio

Citrix says latency isn't too bad. And it's not bad in its current implementations. - Cliff Gerrish

Kevin, there is nothing stopping the creation of a pluggable application on the iPad. So multi-tasking just flows in a framework. - Jerry Schuman

PoCo is designed to cover both contacts and social connections - Kevin Marks

Jesse I never imported my contacts ,,if I want to trace one I will search for his email ,, I dont know what a site can do with our contacts ,, - Johni Fisher

isn't Buzz also implementing this SuperTweet? - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Ads in Buzz could be a "layer" like the Map app displays - Susan Beebe

so when are we bailing off FF for Buzz? - Jerry Schuman

OK, gotta run to make my 4pm. Will listen to the rest of the show this weekend. Take care all. - Rob La Gesse

with both FF and Buzz supporting open standards there isn't any reason to abandon one for the other - pick based on UI - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Jerry I thought Apple was refusing to approve apps with plugins for iPhone - Kevin Marks

rumor has it that is going to change - Jerry Schuman

Johnni, and that's my point. Contacts are private to most people. It should be up to them on which of those contacts they turn into social connections. Social connections should not be confused with contacts. - Jesse Stay

erm, Robert - MobileMe - Jamie

It's the Social Graph API examples - I wrote about that a long time ago - Jesse Stay

Social Circles is linked off of the Show Options in Search - Jerry Schuman

Funny how one of these speakers considers himself as the archetype of a "typical user" - while he clearly isn't. - Petteri Hiisilä

http://www.google.com/s2... is the link - Kevin Marks

apple is developing the data services for private oriented data - google seems to be geared to public oriented data - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

http://www.google.com/s2... - Susan Beebe

$99 no way, I just canceled my MobileMe subscription because its not worth it, when all I use is basic syncing - Kai

I wrote the SG API examples, Jesse - and yes, Buzz is a reason for people to connect services via XFN - Kevin Marks

Thanks @Kevin - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

frozen scoble is "a magical experience" - Brian Hendrickson

my thoughts after 2 days on Buzz. http://www.google.com/reader... - Jerry Schuman

what search problem? - Jamie

Apple is siloed into product farms; Google understands product integration MUCH better - Susan Beebe

appl more restrictive each year - Don Bonaddio

you arent talking about wave because it doesnt push out traffic period. - Allen Stern

Kevin, lol - I forgot about that. You have me beat there, definitely :-) I still think contacts shouldn't be the source of the social connections here. - Jesse Stay

I disagree Susan. Googles products are pretty poorly integrated IMO - Jamie

er, contacts shouldn't be the equivalent to social connections. They can be the source, but they are not the same. - Jesse Stay

I'm not sure I agree with that. I've been getting responses in the Buzz API tracker within minutes. - Matt M (inactive)

Exactly, Steve - see my article from last night on large company syndrome - Jesse Stay

http://staynalive.com/article... - Jesse Stay

The privacy argument is not true.. we are all balancing the line between public and private. - Kevin Costain

I think the blending of Buzz, Reader, Mail, Chat etc is brilliant. One collated system - Jerry Schuman

Google Buzz has a wonderful spot in enterrprise collaboration - Susan Beebe

its a business tool. - Arnie Klaus

Buzz, Chatter, Yammer -- Twitter for the enterprise. It will turn into a competitive advantage. - Cliff Gerrish

disagree Jerry - the integration of those products is very forced.. particularly when it comes to contacts/sharing - Jamie

Gonna go hang out at the Westin in a bit with Robert.. if I can find him in the basement. ;-) - Jerry Schuman

basically Google are trying to bumrush the social graph. - Jamie

i honestly haven't been following all the news as I've been heads down on CloudContacts but it seems like the "contacts" bit is very different than on twitter or facebook. - Allen Stern

Allen, definitely - Jesse Stay

been using the group function for years... - Frank Paynter

Can someone create a Gillmor Gang group on Buzz? - Mike Doeff

enterprise adoption is just not that easy, Scoble. - Don Park

Well I'm back to coding - nice chatting guys! - Jesse Stay

iPad is the device for consumption and Buzz is the stream of consumption - Jerry Schuman

SIRI is the most disruptive - Arnie Klaus

it's the mainstreaming of the open protocols that is the disruption - this will cause other data silos to implement them to compete with google - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

the iPad will be my own personal touchscreen kiosk - kosso

i think like an earthquake - we are in for some big aftershocks of negativity on buzz - people see it in their gmail - normal internet users - click it - start sharing crap and start following people and having people follow them with no real understanding of what they are in for. so far for me buzz is a hot mess. not sure why i say this considering its a copy of ff but for me - i can't figure out even how they decide what to show me - crap from yesterday sits on top of crap from today, etc. - Allen Stern

isnt buzz a data silo? - Jamie

jamie - I should have said "closed data silo" - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Buzz isn't a silo. I can get all the data out (or at least there are plans to get everything out). And the APIs to get data out aren't new - they will be built on the current set of global web APIs (PSHB/activity streams/atom/etc) - Matt M (inactive)

buzz is free, iPad is 499 - I think the free one will be more transformative in the near term - Brian Hendrickson

I haven't written the post yet but the iPad is going to be gigantic. With the slew of patents that Apple that thing is going to be Microsoft Surface in your hand. It's just begun. - Jerry Schuman

Buzz should be labeled a 'Beta' product - kosso

Whatever can integrate ALL social networks without creating so much noise will cause disruption.. Google Wave has the potential to be that. . - Kevin Costain

Buzz is the disruptor here. Or maybe it's the glue that will bind all the socnets together - Frank Paynter

Both are equally disruptive and creating maturity to Web 2.0 - http://bit.ly/9MsKX3 - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

Buzz is like a popular bar. Folks go there and enjoy themselves but it's just be part of the town, not even center stage. - Don Park

LCD as a camera + proximity sensing = surface in your backpack for $499.00 - Jerry Schuman

Just saw this right after the show - Google: We May Remove Buzz From Gmail http://selnd.com/cJVW79 - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

I think it should more accurately read Google will implement alternative namespace for Buzz, if user desires it. - Jerry Schuman

hi (testing) - Susan Beebe

Hi Susan. Let us know what you think in NGLPrivate. Click the 'lock' icon. - Cliff Gerrish

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