Gillmor Gang, Live Recording Session at 1P

who's on today? - dlature

Looks like we might be getting started a little early today. - Cliff Gerrish

Gillmor Gang Live Recording Session w/ Dan Farber, Laura Fitton, Andrew Keen, Kevin Marks - http://building43.com/realtime - Cliff Gerrish

Hello, Laura! - Rob La Gesse

starting on an od time - i about didnt catch the beginning.\ - Chris Jackson

@cliff you forgot Scoble. :) - Kevin Costain

watching Gillmor Gang -- hi @Pistachio! http://www.building43.com/realtim... - Karoli

Oh, and Scoble (on his way to Second Life) making a cameo... - Cliff Gerrish

you cant not join it. I just tried with a dummy account. - Jamie

So... starting in 10 minutes? - Ken Sheppardson

@Ken, they're already on.. - Kevin Costain

When did it actually start? I've got 12:53 - Ken Sheppardson

@Ken, I had 12:48 when they started.. - Kevin Costain

about 47 past - Jamie

Andrew's probably still on Compuserve - Ken Sheppardson

Andrew hasn't heard of the new invention called the printing press.. :) - Kevin Costain

Oh boy, grumpy.. lol - Kevin Costain

Movable type rules! - Cliff Gerrish

@kshep -- LOL...that's brutal. - Karoli

"In general, we try not to pay too much attention to competitors, we try to listen to users." -- Todd Jackson, Product Manager for Google Buzz at the launch announcement - Ken Sheppardson

I think they just "try not to pay too much attention..." - Cliff Gerrish

It's interesting to see that Google is being sued for releasing a product that wasn't completely perfect or secure. http://mashable.com/2010... - Kevin Costain

Yeah, seeing what Google was able to come up with given Facebook and FriendFeed to embrace and extend... my money's on Facebook now. - Ken Sheppardson

"...listen to users" — oh, like how a short track speed skater looks to the crowd so he knows when to make his move. - Micah

The paint is though - no-one HAD to use buzz, all users had the option NOT to use it from the beginning. - Kevin Costain

I like Andrew's comment about Robert, "He is the list" - r Macdonald

not true kevin - Jamie

google wave needs a better interface. - Karoli

hey there. Buzz off? - Aron Michalski

ive just tested what happens when you click NO... buzz is still there...with an unread count. - Jamie

Writely - Ken Sheppardson

JotSpot became Google Sites - Mike Doeff

etherpad? - Jamie

Paul Buccheit seems to do a good job of creating companies that can be purchased by Google without to much rewriting. - Cliff Gerrish

Writely became part of Docs, JotSpot became part of Sites, they bought Etherpad shortly after the Wave launch... - Ken Sheppardson

@Jamie - I recall the first screen that was presented gave the options to say "No Thanks".. or something to that effect.. - Kevin Costain

Cliff, looks like Google was a bit slow about the FF acquisition...LOL. - Karoli

Kevin: Initially, the first screen you were presented with was "Do you want to learn more?" and you were enrolled whether you said yes or no. - Ken Sheppardson

Apparently Realtime happens in the future... or starts earlier than than live. - Aron Michalski

Karoli, they got it -- they're just having trouble integrating all the features. - Cliff Gerrish

Aron, we started a little early today. - Cliff Gerrish

Yeah, Laura actually works ;-/ - Ken Sheppardson

kevin, I just tested the initial run on an account I have not used since buzz launched. the option is "no... take me to my inbox, ill check buzz later" - Jamie

yet buzz is there in the sidebar with 11 unread buzzes - Jamie

Here's the screen.. http://images.pcworld.com/news... - Kevin Costain

I havent followed anyone or even clicked on the icon - Jamie

@jamie.. interesting.. buzz is still there regardless.. I wonder if you're still forced into following as well in that case? - Kevin Costain

yes jamie, exactly - though you won't have a public profile until you make one, at whcih point the following will show - Kevin Marks

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2802... - thats what it shows you. - Jamie

They *really* need to accelerate the API, so somebody can add a usable client on top, or better yet just drop FriendFeed's UI onto a Buzz back end. - Ken Sheppardson

No, he's pushing RSS, Kevin. Using Atom is as bad as not using feeds, in his humble opinion. - Ken Sheppardson

Somebody wake up Dan - Ken Sheppardson

So I have 11 new buzzes from a frequently emailed contact. It is *still* auto following contacts. I thought they changed this. - Jamie

Dave backed Atom in his own tool recently, but is allergic to standards that come from public discussion apparently - Kevin Marks

no Jamie, they still auto-follow, they don't auto-publish - Kevin Marks

thats insane - Jamie

I changed my chat prefs so that I wasn't autofollowed a couple of years ago...seems to have carried to Buzz. - Karoli

whats wrong with pulling my most frequently emailed contacts and presenting them to me with a checklist. - Jamie

Steve is the first person I've heard mention the iPad in about a week. - Darren

No, Kevin, it seems that it's not possible for Google to contribute to public standards, per his criticism of Brad and Brett... anybody doing work for them is apparently some variation on a corporate shill. I've yet to hear whether Messina and Smarr's work is grandfathered in somehow... - Ken Sheppardson

Ken, corporate shill? I thought it was Stalinist. - Karoli

"lack of Flash" is a misdirect. - Aron Michalski

Karoli: Same thing ;-) - Ken Sheppardson

Now now, let's not go back that, you two. - Louis Gray

You get that job at Google yet, Louis? - Ken Sheppardson

Ken, Google has and does contribute to open standards development. - Darren

<rolls eyes at Ken> - Louis Gray

;-) - Ken Sheppardson

iPad: It's a good way to get the fanboys to buy the second one if you include the missing hardware. - Aron Michalski

There are 3-4 @google.com contributors to OAuth 1.0a by itself. - Darren

Agree with Ken 300% on expediting API. I've got my first userscript out for Buzz http://wittman.org/project... , but it only works on Firefox (not Chrome! I have to scrape html to get the profile image url with GM_xmlhttpRequest for crying out loud). http://www.google.com/buzz... - Micah

And Apple has contributed Webkit to the 'open' movement... - Cliff Gerrish

Darren: I know... sorry... I was being facetious... inside joke... - Ken Sheppardson

I have to laugh when folks were killing Apple for pushing the web apps stance on the iPhone launch. Same guys now talking about platform lock in. - Jamie

heard the call beeps, reached for my phone. I must be well-conditioned - Karoli

Does anyone not think Twitter has peaked? - Ken Sheppardson

iPad is post-PC -- it's not a tablet version of a PC operating system. - Cliff Gerrish

the worldwide numbers show that Twitter is still growing. - Jamie

I think Steve is spot on, regarding iPad inspiring universal webkit developments - r Macdonald

What has Winer been saying about Louis Gray's observations? - Stephen Pickering

Webkit will be the defacto standard that forces HTML5. - Cliff Gerrish

a monitor doesnt have the immediacy of an iPad - Jamie

Yes, Cliff. Its all about HTML5 - r Macdonald

Stephen "This guy would have done really well in Stalinist Russia, writing propoganda for the commisars." - Ken Sheppardson

intimacy* - Jamie

..."Stalin used to send dissenters to insane asylums because obviously you would have to be insane not to love Stalin." - Ken Sheppardson

I am late, have people been talking about Dave Winer on the Gang? - David Lloyd

He said that about Louis? - Stephen Pickering

of course David. - Jamie

Yeah, Stephen, in response to Louis' blog post about Buzz and privacy - Ken Sheppardson

He took ashot at Loius Grey yes - David Lloyd

that Wired demo was what i was talking about - not sure how practical producing that regualrly is - Kevin Marks

Ah, IC - Stephen Pickering

im sure the CMS and templates will do 90% of the work. - Jamie

I bet that Demo from Wires costs more to make than is recouped - David Lloyd

and its Conde Nast. They can use the same app template for every magazine. - Jamie

Ok, Laura won't buy an iPad...she's too busy.. next topic - Ken Sheppardson

Some of us actually do sit on the couch - Mike Doeff

@Laura, its what you use when you're on the toilet! - Kevin Costain

not everyone is running a startup. I come home from work and I am in the living room consuming content on the TV and my laptop. - Jamie

Regarding tech-sector promises of 15 years ago, "convergence" is something we are likely see actualized in the next few years through iPad developments, HTML5 elaboration and utilization of emerging Semantic Web. - r Macdonald

Jamie:I'm sure plenty of people who run startups will be buying iPads - Ken Sheppardson

that too Ken. - Jamie

Has Laura ever used a Kindle? - Ken Sheppardson

I can picture myself balancing the iPad on my lap while I type - Jamie

Laptops are the new desktops, iPads are the new lap tops. - Cliff Gerrish

It drives me nuts to cook and have to read the recipe on my iPhone. I'd use the iPad just for that. - Karoli

Are magazines one or two handed "devices"? - Ken Sheppardson

Cliff you have to tweet that so I can retweet it - Jamie

The iPad is my Grama's new TV, same size, just thinner.. :) - Kevin Costain

Who would ever use a book or magazine? You can't, when you have a kid on your arm... who ever has time to read? - Ken Sheppardson

Jaime, all my FF entries are tweeted. - Cliff Gerrish

I hate to say it... the addition of @pistachio today makes me want to tune out... how about more @parislemon instead. - andrew

Is is a matter of scale, myopia or an actual different experience? - Aron Michalski

You guys need to talk about Pip.io! - Leo

andrew, @pistachio makes me want to listen closer, so we cancel each other out. - Karoli

I think longterm iPhone OS is the new Mac... as far as Apple are concerned. - Jamie

It's like the Ken Olson quote, ""There is no reason for any individual to have a computer in his home"... he really said it (in '77) but what he meant by "computer" is different than what we mean. It keeps evolving. - Ken Sheppardson

its entirely conceivable that the iPhone OS install base will be 10x the Mac base in 2 or 3 years. - Jamie

So in other words you suckers buying version 1 will be screwed when version 2 comes out 6 months layter with a camera - David Lloyd

I'll buy it and give this version to my mother @ david. not a big deal. - Jamie

Seriously, has Laura never held a book? - Ken Sheppardson

Laura needs a macbook wheel.. lol... - Kevin Costain

@David version 1 suckers are who pay for version 2 aren't they? - Kevin Costain

....and reading books - Jamie

So people no longer read because they have to talk to their kids? - Ken Sheppardson

maybe we should eschew multitasking. :) - Karoli

Augmented Reality! project an image of a book OVER the heads of your kids using the iPad! - Kevin Costain

so Steve, what do you think of Windows Phone. - Jamie

Fast switching over single threads is what humans do. Computers can do parallel processing. People can't. - Cliff Gerrish

there is a tool to export your Address Book to Google Contacts... or you can switch on syncing between the two in preferences - Jamie

The curious thing that many haven't seem to mentioned about the iPad is that is a great device for closing the digital divide - with relatively low entry cost, and built in connectivity. I agree ... it is a great device for all of us. Bye Laura (ugh. one last snark from her wiseness) - andrew

bye all....enjoyed the show as always. - Karoli

YouTube is making money - Jamie

Why does Steve love the Nexus more than iPhone, yet excited about iPad, which is just a large iPhone. I don't get it. - Stephen Pickering

he's excited *because* its a large iphone - Jamie

Yes, but he thinks the Nexus One is much better, shouldn't he be more excited about a Google Pad? - Stephen Pickering

It's the intersection of the platforms that's interesting. - Cliff Gerrish

he doesn't think the Nexus One is much better. - Jamie

As a Fender Strat collector/player, I can tell you there's a non-trivial sized market for that Fender phone. - Ken Sheppardson

Yeah, he does, he raves about it, which I agree with, it is much better, that's why I can't understand the enthusiasm about the iPad platform - Stephen Pickering

Hey, Ken I have a Strat and a Tele - Stephen Pickering

he's said several times the app ecosystem is much better on the iPhone - Jamie

oh poo - I came home from errands exactly at the wrong time - the *end* of the show - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Nice show - thanks guys. And Laura :) - Rob La Gesse

Good Show, Just wish this was in podcast format so I could listen on my long commute. - John Wood

Thanks for another good show - r Macdonald

John - the audio only version is added to each show a few days later - just look at the "archives" section, top right of the page - Rob La Gesse

Stephen: Cool... I need to get into Teles one of these days... :-) - Ken Sheppardson

I thought you were getting into Tricasters, Ken... - Cliff Gerrish

Oddly, in my old(er) age I'm getting to appreciate a rack full of Strats more, Cliff :-) - Ken Sheppardson

Me, I've got a tele (with 3 pickups) - Cliff Gerrish

Ken, I agree. - Aron Michalski

Thanks Rob, do you know if there is a podcast feed, or do I just have to come to the page and download the audio? - John Wood

John - working on the iTunes/RSS feed. For now it is a manual process. - Rob La Gesse

Thanks for the info Rob :) - John Wood

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