Gillmor Gang recording live 1PM Pacific ht

What's the topic for today? - Matt M (inactive)

Threadsy. The Gillmor Gang should be great today. Google/Mr. Softy and Tw*tter... - Cliff Gerrish

Matt: there are too many things to talk about today. Twitter. Flickr. Windows 7. Etc Etc. - Robert Scoble

I'm standing by waiting for the Skype call, by the way. - Robert Scoble

Exciting week... Mainstreaming of real-time search and a new Windows rev. - Matt M (inactive)

We are connecting everyone now. Just a few more minutes and we'll be on air. - Robert Scoble

We are live! - Robert Scoble

Everything is dead. - Ken Sheppardson

Long live everything - Mike Doeff

omg - people still using FF? :) - Nick Halstead

isn't that what Friendfeed does? - Karoli

No, it's different, Karoli. I've also used it a bit, and it's more of a "universal inbox" than FriendFeed. It's just a client, rather than a stand-alone service. - Ken Sheppardson

Is there a recording of the Tim Berners-Lee conversation somewhere? - Mike Doeff

thanks, Ken. It's one of those services that definitely interests me...if I ever get in. :) - Karoli

Nick: I still use RSS too. Saying something is dead is dead. - Robert Scoble

"Everything is Broken" -Bob Dylan - Jerome Hughes

We individually kill and give life to things every day. I don't use Google Reader much anymore, for instance. So to me Google Reader is dead. - Robert Scoble

I used to think I'd want a universal inbox, but stuff like Threadsy have reminded me that I really want different "layers"/urgency in my inbox, e.g. SMS > IM > email - Ken Sheppardson

Robert, I still use Google Reader...but only when what I'm seeing on Twitter/Friendfeed doesn't feel balanced to me. I can usually get that balance by going back to GR. - Karoli

Karoli: lists will bring that balance to Twitter. - Robert Scoble

Ken, I'd definitely need filters or I'd just run away from the inbox screaming... - Karoli

I still use GR - but I have about 10 feeds - the rest I get supplied by Twitter/TweetMeme - Nick Halstead

the issue i have with tweetmeme, etc is how easily the echo chamber develops. I love it, but want to reach outside of it for info sometimes. - Karoli

Karoli: I agree - the core categories will always be full of the echo/main crowd - but we will soon launch the ability for you to build your own channels that are filtered to your 'exact' requirements - Nick Halstead

Used Threadsy 2 weeks ago, and okay concept, needs work still. - JimmyJet

In the demo yesterday, Microsoft claimed that their Bing/Twitter search results filter out spam and surfaces quality results based on "social relevance" - Mike Doeff

because it's a beta for a few 1000s....wait for lists to be rolled out... - Antonella Stellacci

Mike, they're weighting it based on some kind of authority? - Karoli

so "normal" people don't want to find new friends who share their interests? - Jerome Hughes

Whatever it is, it's got to work for 'normal' people. - Cliff Gerrish

@mikedoeff: Who decides "social relevance"? @Scobleizer Who is to say that this "social relevance' will be a democratic system? How can we prevent a new SUL/TechCrunch to happen, with people being disqualified for having "different" views? - Antonella Stellacci

They called it "social relevance" but didn't really drill into what that means. Maybe some combination of # of followers, number of tweets, age of the account, verified status, etc. - Mike Doeff

When will "normal" people get access to Twitter lists? I don't have it on my account. I might start using Twitter if I did. - Ken Sheppardson

Ah...there's the 'track' ref. It's like coming home. :) - Karoli

https://twitter.com/lists... - Jerome Hughes

Yeah, I'm not one of the cool kids who get the lists feature on Twitter. :) - Karoli

Potential issue with Twitter lists: Someone posts a list of CIO's. Sales rep's from Oracle, SAP, etc. use that list to pitch their products to those CIO's with @messages or DM's. Or they could find all of the people inside a company by finding a company list. It'll be like a free version of Jigsaw. - Mike Doeff

lists =meta-data....so discovery of new users is one of the options... - Antonella Stellacci

@mike u can DM a list? (sry for the stupid question, I don't have lists :( - Antonella Stellacci

Is there convergence on a standard for lists, or is it too early? - Cliff Gerrish

I wonder which will win out: sending stuff out to specified groups/audiences, or just sending stuff out to "everyone", and having whatever permissions you've assigned to specific people determine whether or not they see it. I guess it's the same thing. Nevermind. ;-) - Ken Sheppardson

Antonella, you can't DM a list but it's an easy way to collect twitter id's in a specific niche. You can go down the list and follow people individually. - Mike Doeff

thanks Mike. - Antonella Stellacci

Adding real username/URLs to Facebook was remedial. - Ken Sheppardson

Cliff: Twitter will be the defacto list standard almost overnight. - Robert Scoble

Mike: yes, @reply spam is a big problem. One that's solveable, though. - Robert Scoble

Certainly, Identi.ca will follow suit, but will Facebook? - Cliff Gerrish

And Mike, if a major company did @reply spam they would see a huge negative PR backlash. - Robert Scoble

I wouldn't be so sure about Identica. Their feature set has already diverged from Twitter's. e.g. Groups http://identi.ca/doc/groups - Ken Sheppardson

Ken, they'll have to support both. - Cliff Gerrish

Robert, I agree - would be a very bad move if PR firm, sales people, etc. abuse the lists features. They'll end up on a PR Twitter blacklist :) - Mike Doeff

It centralizes with the user -- not with the services. This ties in to the purpose-centric web and the sidewiki discussion. - Cliff Gerrish

So Threadsy isn't a service? Where's the line between services and clients? - Ken Sheppardson

So will we see search come to Threadsy streams? - JimmyJet

Is FriendFeed a client or a service? - Ken Sheppardson

Mint is a front end to Yodlee. - Cliff Gerrish

Kevin - send video. - Cliff Gerrish

How long will it take Google to kill Threadsy with Gmail? - Ken Sheppardson

Private room, Robert. - Ken Sheppardson

Wonʻt Wave to that? - Arnie Klaus

Robert: Click on your entry, click "Edit > Disable Comments" - Ken Sheppardson

Ken: no. I want my curation to be public. Arnie: Wave could be useful. - Robert Scoble

Ken: if I turned off comments I won't have the ability to type anything underneath the item. - Robert Scoble

Arnie: Wave would be useful if it weren't stuck in the very lame email metaphor. - Robert Scoble

But is that all you want to do? Be able to add comments to your post without other people being able to do so? I'm a little confused... - Ken Sheppardson

Arnie: Wave is something I'm watching a lot. - Robert Scoble

Ken: I want to curate and put it on MY OWN STREAM. Without you being there. - Robert Scoble

..or you want to use FriendFeed as a text editor? - Ken Sheppardson

Ken: FriendFeed doesn't work for what I want. - Robert Scoble

Ken: FriendFeed got close, though. - Robert Scoble

Robert, as long as none of us have to read it. Go ahead and make your own stream. - Cliff Gerrish

I keep hearing you say that, Robert. I'm trying to understand exactly what it means. What about a private room/group? - Ken Sheppardson

Robert: I see a connect between Wave and the Twitter deal achieving curation - Arnie Klaus

Ken: now you understannd why I'm so frustrated with FriendFeed. It won't get many new features. - Robert Scoble

Arnie: me too. - Robert Scoble

Wave traps me...I want the ability to opt out of specific waves. - Karoli

Ken: Private groups don't do what I want. I want a public curation where everyone can watch JUST ME. - Robert Scoble

Robert: Would "only let me comment on this entry" do it? - Ken Sheppardson

Ken: very close. But now we need to go further. Let me post a video there. An audio there. A picture there. And bring in other tweets and items. - Robert Scoble

The reality is that no one's interested in 'only scoble' -- everyone wants to create their own mix. - Cliff Gerrish

Robert: So... a room where only admins (i.e. you) can post and comment, but everyone can view? - Ken Sheppardson

Cliff: absolutely not true. My blog proves you wrong. - Robert Scoble

Ken: now you are getting there. - Robert Scoble

Robert, I'm only interested in certain posts from your blog. I don't need the whole stream. You're in my mix, you just don't know it. - Cliff Gerrish

Cliff: and to rub salt in a wound. Twitter proves you wrong. - Robert Scoble

Every time Steve says, "Rob?" - I start to answer :) - Rob La Gesse

Cliff: that's cool. So you are listening to a group curation then. - Robert Scoble

Robert: That's a pretty minor incremental fix, I'd think. Right now there are three types of rooms 1) Private, 2) Standard only admins can post, anyone can comment, 3) Public. Seems like a fourth type where only admins can post/comment but everyone can view would be pretty easy. - Ken Sheppardson

Hope Threadsy has security for the UN's/PW's they require for each service?? - JimmyJet

Scoble, yes. I use a microcommunity to filter items -- not full feeds. - Cliff Gerrish

Ken: even easy stuff takes engineering time. - Robert Scoble

Threadsy in Chrome gets a basic auth pop up from twitter.com for my API credentials every time it tries to access Twitter :-) - Ken Sheppardson

Cliff: I know. I have seen this. Sort of like how TechMeme works. - Robert Scoble

Robert: Sure, but asking Paul to add a fourth room type sure seems easier than casting out some general lazyweb request for curation tools ;-) - Ken Sheppardson

Scoble, techmeme is read only. This is a little different. - Cliff Gerrish

Ken: FriendFeed has no engineering team working on many new features. I've already asked for new features. I've been asking for this stuff for years. - Robert Scoble

Does Facebook still prevent developers from caching data for more than 24hrs? - Ken Sheppardson

Threadsy seems to define the pipe that exists between services. The Oauth issue is critical -- it comes bak to identity. - Cliff Gerrish

Ken: I believe so. - Robert Scoble

Windows is dead. - Ken Sheppardson

Flickr is dead. - Ken Sheppardson

Ken: Windows is Amazon's top seller. I want to be dead like that. - Robert Scoble

Scoble, we are already giving curated content e.g. this channel that is defined by 20 of the top Twitterati - http://twitterati.tweetmeme.com/ - soon these channels can be built by anyone - Nick Halstead

Ok - i didnt get in on this till now - will it be archived? - Chris Jackson

Yeah, it'll be published to YouTube in a day or so. - Cliff Gerrish

Nick: that's not really what I want? - Robert Scoble

ok - Chris Jackson

Any timeframe from Twitter on when us lowly masses will get lists? - Ken Sheppardson

im still waiting for twitter lists to hit my account. - Chris Jackson

Ken: a few weeks. - Robert Scoble

Can I trade Wave invites for List access? - Ken Sheppardson

RSS??? - Ken Sheppardson

Steve and Robert - the Gillmor Gang has become my most favorite source of social news and trends watch. - Chris Jackson

Thanks Chris! - Robert Scoble

:) funny Ken - Chris Jackson

Translation: No idea. - Ken Sheppardson

Ken: translation: "FriendFeed is not worth wasting engineering effort on." - Robert Scoble

Does Threadsy have any sort of Activitystrea.ms support? - Ken Sheppardson

Ken: I don't know. - Robert Scoble

Thanks, great show. - JimmyJet

Thanks to Steve and all, nice to finally catch the show in real time again! - Jerome Hughes

very good show...wish my phone hadn't rung at the end, but I still got my fix :) - Karoli

The after show is pretty good too. Marks: why doesn't Twitter have searched scoped to the people I follow? - Cliff Gerrish

Missed it again. I'll be back. - Matt Terenzio

RSS?? (which we all know is dead, ..but still); mp3 ?? Steve, I understand your effort to make a point by inconveniencing us with lack of rss, I get it, but from that stage further it is just pain in the a**. - Mindaugas Dagys

http://feeds2.feedburner.com/bootleg... - Ken Sheppardson

Thanks Ken, but the last bootleg there at the moment is GillmorGang2009.10.15 - Mindaugas Dagys

The RSS feed for the Youtube channel is http://gdata.youtube.com/feeds... and after a new show is uploaded there, I'll update the bootleg feed - Jack

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